R2C filter for Talon intake air snorkel projects

[Tramguage1]

Brain is a cool cat, met him at the TO.

Damn i must of missed meeting him! Maybe next year

 

[Admin]

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

I missed a few comment notices yesterday!

I've been thinking about your setup chris. If parts have to be made for this then the ideal design would be a one piece plastic or aluminum tube to minimize parts and reduce weight.

Making the tube 1 piece wouldn't be a big deal. You would just have to find a source for 90° aluminum elbows that have a long leg on one side. Mine is 2 piece with a silicone coupler because I started off with a PwrTune intake kit that came with the 90° elbow. I wanted the filter above the body work so I used the extension pipe to accomplish that.

 

[highpocket74]

I found a company last year to source bends from so I’m sure once I have the dimensions needed they could bend the unequal lengths for me. Steel pipe pipe be kinda heavy though unless very thin wall. I’ll do some more research.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

You should be able to source 3" aluminum tube bent as I described. To maximize profit I'd be looking for ready made tubes that have the dimensions required that may just need trimming on one or both ends to be exact. Much cheaper for you to cut down pre-existing pipes as opposed to getting them made. Use the K.I.S.S. methods when designing stuff....


Don't use steel pipe!!

 

[highpocket74]

Back at work today. I have a coworker with a 3D printer so we have been brainstorming this intake modification today.

Here's what we are thinking so far:

I like the S&B part that uses the air intake grate for pipe routing rather than cutting plastic. Even I don't want to cut my plastic for this mod! If the grate can be replaced with something similar to S&B then that's great. So we are going to look at 3D printing something like this possibly with a connection for the filter to clamp directly onto. There are a lot of options and problems we will have to figure out for this whole setup. I may have to fabricate a grate that will work first then make a fusion cad model to 3d print from.

I'd rather use a flexhose for the connection between the air box and grate piece. This removes all accuracy required for installation. Plus the hose can have a little slack and still fit inside the inner fender cover. It's also light weight.

These are preliminary thoughts on options we are considering.

Key design goals:
1. No plastic cutting required
2. Easy clamp in fittings and flexible hoses
3. Light weight
4. Non-corrosive material

 

[sandbaja]

Back at work today. I have a coworker with a 3D printer so we have been brainstorming this intake modification today.

Here's what we are thinking so far:

I like the S&B part that uses the air intake grate for pipe routing rather than cutting plastic. Even I don't want to cut my plastic for this mod! If the grate can be replaced with something similar to S&B then that's great. So we are going to look at 3D printing something like this possibly with a connection for the filter to clamp directly onto. There are a lot of options and problems we will have to figure out for this whole setup. I may have to fabricate a grate that will work first then make a fusion cad model to 3d print from.

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I'd rather use a flexhose for the connection between the air box and grate piece. This removes all accuracy required for installation. Plus the hose can have a little slack and still fit inside the inner fender cover. It's also light weight.

These are preliminary thoughts on options we are considering.

Key design goals:
1. No plastic cutting required
2. Easy clamp in fittings and flexible hoses
3. Light weight
4. Non-corrosive material

I'll be your first order if I haven't bought anything by then.

 

[highpocket74]

While
I’ve got the mic here I’ve also been kinda working with another company as a guinea pig for a totally different type of prefilter setup. I ran their design a couple weeks ago riding in dusty conditions and it worked.

Desertcraft of California has been making a foam buddy prefilter for Rzr xp 900 for years. It’s a very simple concept that has been successful so they cooked up a prototype and sent to me for testing. Here’s a look.

Basically it’s an oiled single stage foam filter that prefilters the intake air inside the air box. The grate keeps the oiled filter from contacting the oem filter which it is designed to protect and extend the life of. This will be marketed as a less expensive and simple prefilter option to extend oem filter life. It also will not require any snorkel equipment for those like me who do not like holes in their factory plastic.

According to desertcraft they may be available in about 4 weeks cost about $50. This is their first offering for the Talon. Their market is rzr and X3. They make an excellent high quality dry element filter for those machines. Nice people too. Husband and wife small business. I’ve been a dealer for them since I started my business. Once available I’ll get them listed in my online store and notify the forum.

This is another option that’s becoming available soon for the Talon engine air intake.

 

[Sheetmetalfab]

Back at work today. I have a coworker with a 3D printer so we have been brainstorming this intake modification today.

Here's what we are thinking so far:

I like the S&B part that uses the air intake grate for pipe routing rather than cutting plastic. Even I don't want to cut my plastic for this mod! If the grate can be replaced with something similar to S&B then that's great. So we are going to look at 3D printing something like this possibly with a connection for the filter to clamp directly onto. There are a lot of options and problems we will have to figure out for this whole setup. I may have to fabricate a grate that will work first then make a fusion cad model to 3d print from.

View attachment 282139

I'd rather use a flexhose for the connection between the air box and grate piece. This removes all accuracy required for installation. Plus the hose can have a little slack and still fit inside the inner fender cover. It's also light weight.

These are preliminary thoughts on options we are considering.

Key design goals:
1. No plastic cutting required
2. Easy clamp in fittings and flexible hoses
3. Light weight
4. Non-corrosive material

Super atv is selling a snorkel with a through plastic fitting.

 

[highpocket74]

Damn i must of missed meeting him! Maybe next year

I missed meeting many people this year. We had a tent setup next to Hillbilly Brake in the evenings. The best part was meeting customers!! That was awesome!
I'd like to go back there and just ride for a solid week. We try to hit new locations as often as we can. This was our first trip to Royal Blue. Brutal drive from SW Louisiana!

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

Got my new RC2 intake filter and cover in the mail yesterday, It's very well made! I don't think it was mentioned or pictured at the beginning of this thread, but the top of the filter also has a cone shaped filter in it giving it more surface area.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

Back at work today. I have a coworker with a 3D printer so we have been brainstorming this intake modification today.

Here's what we are thinking so far:

I like the S&B part that uses the air intake grate for pipe routing rather than cutting plastic. Even I don't want to cut my plastic for this mod! If the grate can be replaced with something similar to S&B then that's great. So we are going to look at 3D printing something like this possibly with a connection for the filter to clamp directly onto. There are a lot of options and problems we will have to figure out for this whole setup. I may have to fabricate a grate that will work first then make a fusion cad model to 3d print from.

View attachment 282139

I'd rather use a flexhose for the connection between the air box and grate piece. This removes all accuracy required for installation. Plus the hose can have a little slack and still fit inside the inner fender cover. It's also light weight.

These are preliminary thoughts on options we are considering.

Key design goals:
1. No plastic cutting required
2. Easy clamp in fittings and flexible hoses
3. Light weight
4. Non-corrosive material

Just a bit of advice on this.....

Nothing screams cheaply made and poor performing like dryer hose intake piping. I don't care who uses it on what, it's garbage. Using that stuff is going to turn some people away from buying your product and probably a bunch more people than trimming a half moon in the rear quarter and bed to make the single aluminum pipe fit.

Think about it.......

3d printed parts, dryer hose, adapters, mounting hardware, filter, ect

VS

Single aluminum pipe, templet for hole in body and 1 filter.

Which one do you think would be easier and more profitable for a guy doing this as a hobby to manufacture?


KISS

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

While
I’ve got the mic here I’ve also been kinda working with another company as a guinea pig for a totally different type of prefilter setup. I ran their design a couple weeks ago riding in dusty conditions and it worked.

Desertcraft of California has been making a foam buddy prefilter for Rzr xp 900 for years. It’s a very simple concept that has been successful so they cooked up a prototype and sent to me for testing. Here’s a look.

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Basically it’s an oiled single stage foam filter that prefilters the intake air inside the air box. The grate keeps the oiled filter from contacting the oem filter which it is designed to protect and extend the life of. This will be marketed as a less expensive and simple prefilter option to extend oem filter life. It also will not require any snorkel equipment for those like me who do not like holes in their factory plastic.

According to desertcraft they may be available in about 4 weeks cost about $50. This is their first offering for the Talon. Their market is rzr and X3. They make an excellent high quality dry element filter for those machines. Nice people too. Husband and wife small business. I’ve been a dealer for them since I started my business. Once available I’ll get them listed in my online store and notify the forum.

This is another option that’s becoming available soon for the Talon engine air intake.

If you have to remove the air filter just to see if it's dirty or to clean it I'd say that product isn't something most people would want. The point of adding a pre-filter to the Talon air box is so that you don't have to change/check the stock filter all the time. This defeats the purpose entirely...

 

[highpocket74]

Got my new RC2 intake filter and cover in the mail yesterday, It's very well made! I don't think it was mentioned or pictured at the beginning of this thread, but the top of the filter also has a cone shaped filter in it giving it more surface area. View attachment 282467

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I didn’t know about this feature. It wasn’t shown in the pictures from R2C.

 

[highpocket74]

J

Just a bit of advice on this.....

Nothing screams cheaply made and poor performing like dryer hose intake piping. I don't care who uses it on what, it's garbage. Using that stuff is going to turn some people away from buying your product and probably a bunch more people than trimming a half moon in the rear quarter and bed to make the single aluminum pipe fit.

Think about it.......

3d printed parts, dryer hose, adapters, mounting hardware, filter, ect

VS

Single aluminum pipe, templet for hole in body and 1 filter.

Which one do you think would be easier and more profitable for a guy doing this as a hobby to manufacture?


KISS

I agree with where you are coming from. Fewer parts and connects is always more reliable. I’m just thinking out loud of all the possibilities.
I do like the super ATV snorkel but it hugs the roll cage too close to fit a filter on the end.

 

[ADVman]

Got my new RC2 intake filter and cover in the mail yesterday, It's very well made! I don't think it was mentioned or pictured at the beginning of this thread, but the top of the filter also has a cone shaped filter in it giving it more surface area. View attachment 282467

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I just ordered one as well. Do you have the rest of the parts sourced yet?

 

[sandbaja]

Super atv is selling a snorkel with a through plastic fitting.

This is my first option since it has a single lower pipe and the passthrough grate cover. I think would marry well with the RC2 dry cover. The Super ATV has been on backorder for a very long time but also includes vent valves for the diff's and gas breathers. They are supposed to get the orders flowing on or about next week. If 10-80 had a comparable I'd give him the biz but I doubt this is something within his short term capacity and margins may not make it worth his time.

 

[highpocket74]

I just ordered one as well. Do you have the rest of the parts sourced yet?

Not yet. I’m just getting started on this. And I have my irons in many fires!! A coworker will be helping on this task.

edit: He kinda wants in on this adventure I’m having and he’s excellent with cad. He rides dirt bikes with us.

Ive got to get some talon underseat boxes welded up evenings this week to get powder coated next week.

 

[sandbaja]

J

I agree with where you are coming from. Fewer parts and connects is always more reliable. I’m just thinking out loud of all the possibilities.
I do like the super ATV snorkel but it hugs the roll cage too close to fit a filter on the end.

You don't think the upper pipe can be rotated to allow the rc2 dry filter?

 

[highpocket74]

You don't think the upper pipe can be rotated to allow the rc2 dry filter?

In the photos on website the upper pipe follows the cage closely so I don’t think it will fit. Rotation doesn’t appear will help.

 

[highpocket74]

H

Got my new RC2 intake filter and cover in the mail yesterday, It's very well made! I don't think it was mentioned or pictured at the beginning of this thread, but the top of the filter also has a cone shaped filter in it giving it more surface area. View attachment 282467

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Chris,
I’m going to add your good pics to my item listing to help other people. At least until I can take more pics when I get some of these in.