P700m2 Software Developer With a 2022 Pioneer 700 and an Idea for a Project

[DenommeInc]

Hi everyone!

I started on a new project that’s long overdue for us riders. I’m creating an Android-based OBDII reader for side-x-sides (specifically for Honda in the beginning) and would love to hear some suggestions and perhaps get some guidance from the community.

I’ve already created a few examples that work perfectly on a k-line emulator; however, I can’t get a stable connection to the ecu on my 2022 Pioneer 700 in a real-world test. I’m using an ELM327 Bluetooth adapter with an OBDII to 4 pin conversion for the DLC connection. The protocol I’m using is ISO 14230-4 (KWP fast).

From what I've learned about Honda, it has to be put in diagnostics mode to get data from the ecu by faulting two wires on the DLC. However, in doing so, normal functionalities are limited. I've done a lot of research on it but it appears Honda keeps most of this information secret. Therefore, it'll take a lot of trial and error, which is fine with me because I'm having a blast doing it. Regardless, this is where I hope the community will help.

If you would like to be involved or help out with your own experience, I’m happy to talk to anyone with an interest in the topic. If your a fellow coder, I can share my source code.
Eric

 

[Mark in Northern Iowa]

Howdy and welcome from Northern Iowa........again. haha
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Glad you made it over here from the other place.👍
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This place has the knowledge to help and the want for something like this, if you can get it up and running.
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Have a good day

 

[Hondasxs]

Welcome.
No luck so far and I'm not skilled or priledged enough with ODB2 software or tools to continue any further.

I did had this made in hopes someone could figure out the 2022+ units.

Honda 6pin GST, OBD2, Generic Scan Tool Diagnostic Connector cable for Honda motorcycle

ODB2 6 pin adaptor for Honda Pioneer/Talon years 2022+ Pins are set to the ISO 15031-3 layout as such: 6 pin=A, B, CD, E, F A – GroundB – CAN-HC – SCS disconnectD – K-lineE – Can-LF – Positive. Adapts the 6-pin DCL port to an ODB2 port for diagnostic with a common ODB2 reader. THIS PRODUCT IS...

store.hondasxs.com

Also have a 4 to 6 pin adaptor but I'm not aware the 4pin used odb2.

Pv3, 6pin to 4 pin PV3 adaptor.

Adapts your older 4 pin to the new 6 pin for use while programing with a PV3. 4 pin PV3 wire ---> to 6-pin machine. Or 6 pin PV3 wire ---> to 4-pin machine. Ex. let's say you bought a PV3 for your 2018 Pioneer 1000. It has a 4-pin connector. Now you just bought a new 2022 Pioneer 1000/Talon...

store.hondasxs.com

If you need either of these. I'll send you one for free to help break the code. Lol.



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[ODAMO]

Interesting. Does the 23 700 have canbus like the 1000s? And does that make any difference to you in what your looking to do?

 

[DenommeInc]

Howdy and welcome from Northern Iowa........again. haha
.
Glad you made it over here from the other place.👍
.
This place has the knowledge to help and the want for something like this, if you can get it up and running.
.
Have a good day

Thank you for the suggestion! This is great!

 

[DenommeInc]

Welcome.
No luck so far and I'm not skilled or priledged enough with ODB2 software or tools to continue any further.

I did had this made in hopes someone could figure out the 2022+ units.

Honda 6pin GST, OBD2, Generic Scan Tool Diagnostic Connector cable for Honda motorcycle

ODB2 6 pin adaptor for Honda Pioneer/Talon years 2022+ Pins are set to the ISO 15031-3 layout as such: 6 pin=A, B, CD, E, F A – GroundB – CAN-HC – SCS disconnectD – K-lineE – Can-LF – Positive. Adapts the 6-pin DCL port to an ODB2 port for diagnostic with a common ODB2 reader. THIS PRODUCT IS...

store.hondasxs.com

Also have a 4 to 6 pin adaptor but I'm not aware the 4pin used odb2.

Pv3, 6pin to 4 pin PV3 adaptor.

Adapts your older 4 pin to the new 6 pin for use while programing with a PV3. 4 pin PV3 wire ---> to 6-pin machine. Or 6 pin PV3 wire ---> to 4-pin machine. Ex. let's say you bought a PV3 for your 2018 Pioneer 1000. It has a 4-pin connector. Now you just bought a new 2022 Pioneer 1000/Talon...

store.hondasxs.com

If you need either of these. I'll send you one for free to help break the code. Lol.



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Thanks! Mine has the 4 pin, which I already bought one with the rs232 conversion for OBDII. Thank you so much for the offer though!

 

[DenommeInc]

Thanks! Mine has the 4 pin, which I already bought one with the rs232 conversion for OBDII. Thank you so much for the offer though!

I'm happy to test one of yours out on my Pioneer 700 though.

 

[DenommeInc]

Interesting. Does the 23 700 have canbus like the 1000s? And does that make any difference to you in what your looking to do?

Yes, it uses the ISO 14230 fast protocol over K-Line. I think the problem may involve setting the correct baud rate or delay time to establish the connection, which is new to me. Are you familiar with this?

 

[ODAMO]

Yes, it uses the ISO 14230 fast protocol over K-Line. I think the problem may involve setting the correct baud rate or delay time to establish the connection, which is new to me. Are you familiar with this?

Nope. Just curious if it having Canbus makes it easier to do or not.

 

[DenommeInc]

Welcome.
No luck so far and I'm not skilled or priledged enough with ODB2 software or tools to continue any further.

I did had this made in hopes someone could figure out the 2022+ units.

Honda 6pin GST, OBD2, Generic Scan Tool Diagnostic Connector cable for Honda motorcycle

ODB2 6 pin adaptor for Honda Pioneer/Talon years 2022+ Pins are set to the ISO 15031-3 layout as such: 6 pin=A, B, CD, E, F A – GroundB – CAN-HC – SCS disconnectD – K-lineE – Can-LF – Positive. Adapts the 6-pin DCL port to an ODB2 port for diagnostic with a common ODB2 reader. THIS PRODUCT IS...

store.hondasxs.com

Also have a 4 to 6 pin adaptor but I'm not aware the 4pin used odb2.

Pv3, 6pin to 4 pin PV3 adaptor.

Adapts your older 4 pin to the new 6 pin for use while programing with a PV3. 4 pin PV3 wire ---> to 6-pin machine. Or 6 pin PV3 wire ---> to 4-pin machine. Ex. let's say you bought a PV3 for your 2018 Pioneer 1000. It has a 4-pin connector. Now you just bought a new 2022 Pioneer 1000/Talon...

store.hondasxs.com

If you need either of these. I'll send you one for free to help break the code. Lol.



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After some thought, yes, I would like to try out your adapters Hondasxs. I'm pretty sure you already have my information from the site registration. If not, please let me know.

 

[HondaTech]

Dynojet has the PV3 which allows unit operation and displays outputs at the same time.

Our dealer diagnostic hardware does as well.

So there's gotta be some trickery involved to read data and not disrupt the ecms operation

 

[DenommeInc]

Dynojet has the PV3 which allows unit operation and displays outputs at the same time.

Our dealer diagnostic hardware does as well.

So there's gotta be some trickery involved to read data and not disrupt the ecms operation

I absolutely agree! There must be a command that I can send to the ECU to toggle the live-data. There's nothing about it in the shop manual though. There's a few devices out there that claim they can do it as well, such as this... Diagnostic Scanner Fault Code Reader for Honda ATV. So, I know it's possible. However, without seeing their source code or paying Honda myself for the information, I'm forced to use trial and error.

 

[DenommeInc]

Screen Shots of the app. I call it "SXSOBD2." It's running on a Galaxy Tab A tablet. The tablet connects via Bluetooth Low-Energy to a standard OBDII Ble adapter while plugged into a vehicle.
Currently, there's gauge, line, and graph views.

 

[Neohio]

This is all way above my paygrade. Just want to say thanks for playing with this. It will help us all in the future.

 

[HondaTech]

I absolutely agree! There must be a command that I can send to the ECU to toggle the live-data. There's nothing about it in the shop manual though. There's a few devices out there that claim they can do it as well, such as this... Diagnostic Scanner Fault Code Reader for Honda ATV. So, I know it's possible. However, without seeing their source code or paying Honda myself for the information, I'm forced to use trial and error.

Snap-on makes one as well that works for our Motorcycles, but doesn't seem to like the SXSs. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[Hondasxs]

Found this today for a 2022+ Pioneer 1000

 

[DenommeInc]

Found this today for a 2022+ Pioneer 1000
View attachment 383599

I read through the ISO 15031-3 (and related) documents that I could find. Unfortunately, they don't mention the specific communication protocol Honda uses. After a lot of testing, I believe it's the ISO 9141 protocol now because I've got my app to connect to the ECU with it, but I still can't get data back from it.

 

[DenommeInc]

I got it! There's too much to go over in a post, but, for anyone interested, I attached the source were I found the protocol details.

 

[Mark in Northern Iowa]

ok, I have been trying to follow, but over my head tech wise.
As I see it so far, we need.
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1) any blue tooth reader similar to this

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2) anyway to connect obd2 to 4 pin such as
HondaSxS store HONDA 6PIN to OBD2
HondaSxS store 6PIN to 4 PIN
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3) something to run the app on
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4) software app???????? SXSOBD2 ???
Where do we get the app?
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And I see it is harder then just that, just trying to dumb it down for me to understand.
And, as you can see, haha!, step by step instructions, with pictures. 👍
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Have a good day

 

[Hondasxs]

So u got it to work?
What all can it tell us?

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