Steering knocked out after roll

[Tesla619]

Rolled the Talon 2019 1000R on sand going uphill. Rolled it clean with no major damage only thing I notice now when I drive straight now or let go of the steering in straight the Talon goes left.

visual inspection I notice one wheel is straight and the other towed in. The steering wheel is off.

I checked for bent rods, tweaked suspension and nothing, all factory marks are there everything is straight.

I did notice on the tie rod threads Honda recommends 6mm of thread, only the passenger side has that all others don’t, I doubt I smacked it that hard for the threads to jump.

 

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[PaulF]

Look closer, tie rod threads of that diameter don't "jump" unless they are loose. You either bent the frame, a control arm or the steering knuckle. It may not be noticeable to the eye. The best way is to get it on an alignment rack but if you don't have access to an alignment rack, here are some helping hints that may reveal what is bent...

• Make sure you are on level ground and settle the suspension.
• Put the steering wheel straight and see which side is toed in. This usually indicates which side is effected so focus on that side of the vehicle.
• Compare camber on both sides, they should be near the same.
• Measure the distance from the outer tie rod end to the inner tire. If they are different, you may have bent the knuckle.
• Measure the lower ball joints to centerline and compare measurements from one side to the other (or to another Talon).
• Measure from the lower ball joints back to a cross member (or even to the front mount point of the rear trailing arm) and compare from one side to the other. This is the most common (and hidden) problem. It will throw off the caster and toe at the same time and can cause a pretty hard pull.
• It is pretty hard to check the upper arm geometry without a rack but you can try with similar measurements used on the lower.

 

[Tesla619]

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Look closer, tie rod threads of that diameter don't "jump" unless they are loose. You either bent the frame, a control arm or the steering knuckle. It may not be noticeable to the eye. The best way is to get it on an alignment rack but if you don't have access to an alignment rack, here are some helping hints that may reveal what is bent...

• Make sure you are on level ground and settle the suspension.
• Put the steering wheel straight and see which side is toed in. This usually indicates which side is effected so focus on that side of the vehicle.
• Compare camber on both sides, they should be near the same.
• Measure the distance from the outer tie rod end to the inner tire. If they are different, you may have bent the knuckle.
• Measure the lower ball joints to centerline and compare measurements from one side to the other (or to another Talon).
• Measure from the lower ball joints back to a cross member (or even to the front mount point of the rear trailing arm) and compare from one side to the other. This is the most common (and hidden) problem. It will throw off the caster and toe at the same time and can cause a pretty hard pull.
• It is pretty hard to check the upper arm geometry without a rack but you can try with similar measurements used on the lower.

Thanks for the detail information. I’ll these and get back.

 

[bigshoe]

All hondas are set with rf toed out. so the difference in threads are just the toe out, the accident didn't do that something is bent

 

[Smitty335]

Rolled the Talon 2019 1000R on sand going uphill. Rolled it clean with no major damage only thing I notice now when I drive straight now or let go of the steering in straight the Talon goes left.

visual inspection I notice one wheel is straight and the other towed in. The steering wheel is off.

I checked for bent rods, tweaked suspension and nothing, all factory marks are there everything is straight.

I did notice on the tie rod threads Honda recommends 6mm of thread, only the passenger side has that all others don’t, I doubt I smacked it that hard for the threads to jump.

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Don't look at the threads, look at the tie rod, it's bent, $ 25.00 and your in business , I know this from experience! HA!