AND, I really hope I'm wrong! Meanwhile, I'm going to buy another brand machine so I can go riding, and keep up with my buddies....
Honda does need to step it up. Being number one in the utility four wheeler market is good but that ain't going to cut it. The others are starting to gain ground.Still no locker in a P500. - virtually every other o.e.m. in the category does, and customers have been complaining about it since day #1.. Still no more than a 250H.P. outboard. Every other o.e.m. does-except Tohatsu, cuz Tohatsus are Hondas. Still no sport SxS. W.T.F? Toyota OWNs Honda in the automotive dependability world. Honda still doesn't have a full size pick-up..... Yamaha OWNs Honda in the marine industry. Polaris OWNs Honda in the SxS world- in spite of the crap they build. I don't know about the motorcycle world, but I have a feeling they aren't real competitive there either. There's something seriously wrong with this company. It's like they don't give a crap about being the most bad-a** machine in any field- ever. They never give us anything to brag about other than 'dependability' but obviously, most buyers seriously don't give a sh**. You know what's new for Honda Marine engines for 2018? Get ready! You can get them in white!! That should have sales soaring! F'n white.....that's it. I haven't checked, but I have a feeling Honda's (relative) market share is probably shrinking, or stagnant in every category, except sxs cuz they're relatively new in the market, and there's just a certain number of people that will buy Hondas for reputation alone, so by default, their market share is growing, because their market share was 0 a few years ago...but they will never own the market until they get off there a** and build some outer limits stuff, like all of the other mainstream o.e.m.'s. Don't hold your breath on a sport model coming out anytime soon, and when (if) it does, all the other machines will still kick it's a**, and our buddies will still laugh at us for losing yet another race, and we'll still be saying "Oh Ya-but it's really dependable"
Perhaps you were born too late....Still no locker in a P500. - virtually every other o.e.m. in the category does, and customers have been complaining about it since day #1.. Still no more than a 250H.P. outboard. Every other o.e.m. does-except Tohatsu, cuz Tohatsus are Hondas. Still no sport SxS. W.T.F? Toyota OWNs Honda in the automotive dependability world. Honda still doesn't have a full size pick-up..... Yamaha OWNs Honda in the marine industry. Polaris OWNs Honda in the SxS world- in spite of the crap they build. I don't know about the motorcycle world, but I have a feeling they aren't real competitive there either. There's something seriously wrong with this company. It's like they don't give a crap about being the most bad-a** machine in any field- ever. They never give us anything to brag about other than 'dependability' but obviously, most buyers seriously don't give a sh**. You know what's new for Honda Marine engines for 2018? Get ready! You can get them in white!! That should have sales soaring! F'n white.....that's it. I haven't checked, but I have a feeling Honda's (relative) market share is probably shrinking, or stagnant in every category, except sxs cuz they're relatively new in the market, and there's just a certain number of people that will buy Hondas for reputation alone, so by default, their market share is growing, because their market share was 0 a few years ago...but they will never own the market until they get off there a** and build some outer limits stuff, like all of the other mainstream o.e.m.'s. Don't hold your breath on a sport model coming out anytime soon, and when (if) it does, all the other machines will still kick it's a**, and our buddies will still laugh at us for losing yet another race, and we'll still be saying "Oh Ya-but it's really dependable"
If it's ok with everyone, I'm gonna...... leave......that..........one.......a-l-o-n-e....... ya. lmfao- quietly.....
Ya man! Honda was kickin a** and takin names! like......30 years ago.......I should just keep buying Hondas cuz they're...like.....so...great! How many cadilacs do you still have? They were bad-a** back in the '50's & '60's- pinnacle of American luxury and quality, and they lived on their reputation till they were building absolute junk and almost went bankrupt. I hear ya, I really trust my P5 and truly enjoy it- till I ride with other machines..... and contrary to the joking around we do on this site about other brand reliability, I haven't actually experienced any of the other machines failing and needing to be towed back or anything like that. Honda needs to ramp it up quick. On the marine side, their advertising is so dated- it's embarrassing... How many times and ways can you just keep saying "We are literally the Honda of outboard engines" "Our 4-stroke technology uses up to 30% less fuel" Maybe 20 years ago... We are considering dropping the franchise because the competition is simply killing us, and Honda, apparently doesn't give a rat's a$$. Honda's market share in the marine industry is totally stagnant, or dwindling. Right now, the SxS market is exploding, and even with that being the case, any surge in Honda sales- I believe- may only be due to Honda being relatively new to the market, and there are alot of people who just wanted a Honda because of prior ownership, or the reliability reputation, but that's going to flatten out pretty quick (relatively). Honda is not attracting younger folks to the brand, because as misguided as it may be, sexy and fast is what sells- and if that wasn't true, the boating industry would be just about dead, and polaris sales would be in the tank. Why Honda hasn't responded to the market is completely beyond me.... I'm really really hoping that they start turning around in a big way. That would be awesome for all of us!
As far as ATV/UTV's- point taken. Just like everything else, the dumb a$$e$ screw it up for everyone- in so many ways... Just got me thinkin about the H/M trails waiver that you have to sign to get a pass. I wonder if o.e.m.'s could do the same thing. If I remember correctly, it seems that there are near that number of deaths/serious injuries every year on the H/M trails.
I've wondered the same thing, anyone with cash/credit can buy a rocket fast bike? (if you never rode one you won't understand) but then again, if you have seen 5 gallons of gas blow up it's hard to understand that they will sell it to anyone at the gas station.
Honda is more than capable of building a world class sport S x S. You will be able to shave 50 lbs by removing all the warning plates, HA!
I’m going to have to pack a lot lighter if that’s really it..
