ToddACimer
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It's interesting that you mention that but, as I found out the stock rear springs have significant preload on them. I just finished putting it back together and I have the new numbers.
ToddACimer
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Alright so the springs are back on and much to my surprise the machine is much softer but the setup is very different.
For shocks I set this up with basically zero preload to allow me to put them back on the Talon and seek the same ride height. I'm really going for a trail machine with soft ride. I have arched a-arms and full skids and a plan for 32s.
For the front I had about 2" of travel in the adjustment nuts to get to my initial preload. This led to a low nose and we adjusted them to 4" to sit at the stock preload. I also set the cross over rings with 1.25" of up travel. It's worth noting the bandit springs are 1.5" shorter so despite an initial preload position of 3" with the stock springs we actually have less preload.
For the rear, I had to compress the springs a bit to put them on so I knew I was only going to have a light preload. I ended up with 1.5" of preload. This nailed the initial loaded ride height (+1/4").
The front gained 5/8" but the slope along the chassis also improved with a about 3/4" delta between the front and rear wheels lower in the rear.
One thing to note is our static sag at normal payload was 40-45% and since we maintained ride height for the most part and kept the payload the same, I really didn't change that, despite a lot less preload compared to the stock springs.
I'm pretty happy and our quick test ride off the road, through the ditch and jumping the culvert was very very nice.
For shocks I set this up with basically zero preload to allow me to put them back on the Talon and seek the same ride height. I'm really going for a trail machine with soft ride. I have arched a-arms and full skids and a plan for 32s.
For the front I had about 2" of travel in the adjustment nuts to get to my initial preload. This led to a low nose and we adjusted them to 4" to sit at the stock preload. I also set the cross over rings with 1.25" of up travel. It's worth noting the bandit springs are 1.5" shorter so despite an initial preload position of 3" with the stock springs we actually have less preload.
For the rear, I had to compress the springs a bit to put them on so I knew I was only going to have a light preload. I ended up with 1.5" of preload. This nailed the initial loaded ride height (+1/4").
The front gained 5/8" but the slope along the chassis also improved with a about 3/4" delta between the front and rear wheels lower in the rear.
One thing to note is our static sag at normal payload was 40-45% and since we maintained ride height for the most part and kept the payload the same, I really didn't change that, despite a lot less preload compared to the stock springs.
I'm pretty happy and our quick test ride off the road, through the ditch and jumping the culvert was very very nice.
Good stuff - just can’t for the life of me wrap my head around much stiffer springs giving a softer ride😂.
Yeh - the ride height is maddening - I went down the bandit road day 1 and shocks on/off getting it dialed in.
When in had springs off if I recall correctly I could not compress shock shaft with my fat ass - eventually got the revalve/new springs/caps done.
Hope I can be more educated about this stuff at some point - lol.
ToddACimer
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The biggest difference is that under the static load of the machine, the stiffer spring isn't completely collapsed. That's combined with a huge reduction in preload. By reducing preload it takes less force to further compress the spring. In this case despite stiffer springs, the setup allows for compression with less force input so it rides better especially at low speed. Theres a chance that I'll need to adjust the cross over rings if I have issues bottoming out. By removing the tender spring with the cross over ring engagement, I can stiffen up the spring rate for bigger impacts. I'm looking forward to playing with it a bit more
ToddACimer
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Got a box of parts in the mail today.
Bosman bumper to go with my Traveler 4500 winch. I'll have to get a few lights for it. I went with the traveler because the install is clean and the wireless remote control is great. Looking forward to installing it later this week.
Bosman bumper to go with my Traveler 4500 winch. I'll have to get a few lights for it. I went with the traveler because the install is clean and the wireless remote control is great. Looking forward to installing it later this week.
ToddACimer
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Bumper looks good and the winch was easy to wire up.
I fought the lower passenger side mount for too long. The stock bumper was caved in and it turns out the mount was tweaked and pushed back. I hammered it somewhat straight with the air hammer but not perfect. It's not the first or the last bruise.
I fought the lower passenger side mount for too long. The stock bumper was caved in and it turns out the mount was tweaked and pushed back. I hammered it somewhat straight with the air hammer but not perfect. It's not the first or the last bruise.
Adam490
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Just go ahead and get this. I cut the janky lower tabs off mine and welded this on after the first ride or two. Never had a need for the upper piece he sells:
www.wcfab.com
2019-2023 Honda Talon X/R DIY Front Bumper Mount Repair Kit
- Compatible with WCFab, OEM, and other aftermarket bumpers utilizing the factory mounting points - Sold as a Lower only to replace the more commonly bent or damaged lower bumper mounting tabs or as
www.wcfab.com
ToddACimer
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Thank you. Can't beat the price and if I had that last night I could have installed the whole thing faster than fighting the bent partsJust go ahead and get this. I cut the janky lower tabs off mine and welded this on after the first ride or two. Never had a need for the upper piece he sells:
2019-2023 Honda Talon X/R DIY Front Bumper Mount Repair Kit
- Compatible with WCFab, OEM, and other aftermarket bumpers utilizing the factory mounting points - Sold as a Lower only to replace the more commonly bent or damaged lower bumper mounting tabs or as
ToddACimer
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My daily quest to find "cool s*** I don't need", led me to this little project. I've been looking for bead lock wheels or 15" wheels and 32" tires. Not much has popped up. I've always liked the OEM x3 bead locks but they are pretty rare and really expensive when they pop up. As luck would have it, a set showed up on market place 15 minutes from home with like new tires. My first color choice was tan, super impossibly rare, followed by black, more common but not as cool. And lastly Orange. They stand out, maybe too much but the System 3 370s look pretty cool and the wheel shape is really neat.
30s vs 32s
Definitely too close to the skid plate
That's a lot of tire
30s vs 32s
Definitely too close to the skid plate
That's a lot of tire
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ToddACimer
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After bombing through the snow last night, I can deal with the orange. It's a bit wild. I love the monster truck tires but they flat out are too big. I ordered a more reasonable set of GBC Terra Master 32x10s' and that should make a decent all terrain set up. The xtr370s should go away pretty quick on marketplace.
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ToddACimer
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These things measure 31.5 by just under 12. The Pioneer has 31x10 GBCs. I ordered 32s for the talon. They should measure just over 30 mounted and clear my trail armor skid plate.
I really like the Terra Masters a lot!! We have had many sets on machines they have taken us everywhere the Zillas have gone.....and they handle corners much better than most tires I have used. We got a set of 35s TM going on one of Talons.
ToddACimer
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Fixed the too big of tire issue.
GBC Terra masters 32s going on and System 3 xtr370s coming off
GBC Terra masters 32s going on and System 3 xtr370s coming off
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