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Have any of you ever flipped your Axel so it rides below the springs? I was thinking of doing this to gain a little more clearance. what are y'alls thoughts? Thanks
 
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Single or tandom axle? I have done this on my 5x8 single axle trailer, i didng notice any difference in the way it pulled.
 
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Did it to my 24' tandom enclosed car trailer. Bought new perches to weld to the top of the axles so i could leave the original ones below so it could easily be swaped back if i didnt like it or want to sell the trailer. you will burn the tread off you tires if you just roll the axle cause it will mess with the camber of the axle

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Single or tandom axle? I have done this on my 5x8 single axle trailer, i didng notice any difference in the way it pulled.
Single axel.
 
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Did it to my 24' tandom enclosed car trailer. Bought new perches to weld to the top of the axles so i could leave the original ones below so it could easily be swaped back if i didnt like it or want to sell the trailer.


" you will burn the tread off you tires if you just roll the axle cause it will mess with the camber of the axle"
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What does this mean, Rolling the Axel?
 
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Did it to my 24' tandom enclosed car trailer. Bought new perches to weld to the top of the axles so i could leave the original ones below so it could easily be swaped back if i didnt like it or want to sell the trailer. you will burn the tread off you tires if you just roll the axle cause it will mess with the camber of the axle

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Correct....
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What does this mean, Rolling the Axel?
Means flipping it
top to bottom.....
bottom to top...
don't do it....cause you
tire wear...& other problems
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Interesting. Is there a u-joint in between the axle halves? If there are axle halves?
 
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As others have mentioned, you can't just flip the axle, and carry on, because axles are bowed to adjust for camber. There is an easy fix though, as there are kits you can buy just for this purpose that don't require welding. It's an overslung/underslung conversion kit. Below is only an example. You will have to find the correct kit to fit your axles.

Dexter Trailer Springs Over-Under Conversion Kit Dexter Axle Accessories and Parts K71-384-00
If you look at those pics in the link for that kit they still welded the new top perch, its not 100% weld all the way around it but is a 1" stich weld. It think it would be a good idea to at least do that much. I have seen a few trailers were they were not welded and over time as the ubolts stretch and seat in, it allows the tube to rotate or spin under the perch.

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If you look at those pics in the link for that kit they still welded the new top perch, its not 100% weld all the way around it but is a 1" stich weld. It think it would be a good idea to at least do that much. I have seen a few trailers were they were not welded and over time as the ubolts stretch and seat in, it allows the tube to rotate or spin under the perch.

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Yea, by all means, welding would give another level of security, but I was trying to offer an easy fix, if someone, has no access to a welder. Here is a different link that specifically says welding is not required. The new perches have two bolts that are welded to it(one on each side), so it can be directly bolted to the existing perch, on the opposite side of the axle. In all honesty, I think once it's bolted up tightly, I wouldn't have any reservations about using it with no welding. It utilizes the welding of the other perch, to avoid the axle from spinning. It would be virtually impossible to spin with this setup. You may have seen someone just add a perch and bolt it on top of the axle, only using the U-bolts, and in that case it could spin, and would be a poor way of doing an axle flip. I think this system is solid. Plus, you still have the u-bolts holding it together too.

I've done this axle flip myself before, and I just bought new perches and welded them on myself, because it's cheaper. My experience with axles that have been on a trailer a while, they get to the point of the u-bolts seizing up, and all the one's I've changed, I've had to cut the u-bolts, with a torch, or a cutoff tool, to remove them.

Anyhow, if someone has welding access, the easiest and cheapest route would be to just buy new perches and weld them on the opposite side of the axle. Thanks for the input!

Dexter Axle K71-385-00 Over/Under Conversion Kit - 3'' Tube

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If you flip(roll) your axle it must be bent to adjust Camber and Toe-in. This is easily done with a bottle jack underneath and a chain running below the jack and around each axle end. You are looking for about 3/32" toe-in and 3/32" - 1/8" camber. Basically the same as it was before flipping so measure your axle's settings before starting and just duplicate it if it was wearing tires correctly. I have run my trailer that I did this to many thousands of miles with heavy and light loads and it tracks great and tires wear nicely.

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To all:

If you flip(roll) your axle it must be bent to adjust Camber and Toe-in. This is easily done with a bottle jack underneath and a chain running below the jack and around each axle end. You are looking for about 3/32" toe-in and 3/32" - 1/8" camber. Basically the same as it was before flipping so measure your axle's settings before starting and just duplicate it if it was wearing tires correctly. I have run my trailer that I did this to many thousands of miles with heavy and light loads and it tracks great and tires wear nicely.

WB
I don't understand, you aren't flipping the axel, you are just reversing the spring /axel elevations, shouldn't have to do anything to camber/toe in as long as you have the exact same measurements from receiver to center of axel????????.
 
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I did a spring-over on my 16 foot flat deck trailer. Gave me a couple of extra inches in ground clearance. I'm glad I did it.
Been thinking about doing that to my 16 footer, makes since.
 
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I don't understand, you aren't flipping the axel, you are just reversing the spring /axel elevations, shouldn't have to do anything to camber/toe in as long as you have the exact same measurements from receiver to center of axel????????.


@Smitty335,

Some folks looking for more lift "flip" their "Drop" style axle to gain more ground clearance-like I did. (Added 12" ground clearance additional) The comments I made ONLY apply to that scenario. When only moving spring perch to below axle the process I described is not re3quired.

Sorry for the confusion.

WB
 

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