I started with the stock deluxe shocks. They held the machine off of the ground and allowed some movement. Then I installed 814’s which came with 350# front and 400# rears. With the 814’s I got an inch and a half more clearance and no more bottoming out, but I felt they were still too stiff. I ordered the 300# springs from Summit racing and when they arrived, I installed them on the front and then put the original 350#’s that came with the 814’s and put them on the rear. I’ve maintained the original ride height that I got when installing the 814 shocks. 18” center to center on the shock mounting bolts with the machine sitting on a level surface. If I remember correctly, the new springs were $74 each from Summit. They also had some 275# springs which I may still try at a later date. I’m satisfied with the ride for now.Thanks. I use the pioneer around the house a lot so I get a lot of use out of the lights at night. Did you start out with 275 front and 300 rear? Too bad I can't drive a few different pioneers with different shock set ups