Why short supply of Honda SxS?

[BigOL3]

Even at Dealers that are 100% Honda, there seem to be very few Pioneers and esp. Talons. But at a local dealer that handles CanAm, Polaris, Yamaha, and Honda, they are FULL of every possible model of each manufacture except Honda. Since covid the tale for the shortage was due to the supply chain. OK, believable for a while, but not anymore. These other manufactures have to deal with the supply chain also, but their dealers are full of their SxS. Anyone know the real reason why Honda dealers are not just as full of SxS???

 

[JACKAL]

Even at Dealers that are 100% Honda, there seem to be very few Pioneers and esp. Talons. But at a local dealer that handles CanAm, Polaris, Yamaha, and Honda, they are FULL of every possible model of each manufacture except Honda. Since covid the tale for the shortage was due to the supply chain. OK, believable for a while, but not anymore. These other manufactures have to deal with the supply chain also, but their dealers are full of their SxS. Anyone know the real reason why Honda dealers are not just as full of SxS???

You strike a OEM supplier deal with a shock company say FOX for QS3s at $300 a pair but Yamaha, CanAm , Polaris deal is paying $325 a pair. Who's order are you going to fill first for 20,000 pairs? That should answer your $2.5 million vs. $2 million dollar profit margin question.

 

[Smitty335]

Even at Dealers that are 100% Honda, there seem to be very few Pioneers and esp. Talons. But at a local dealer that handles CanAm, Polaris, Yamaha, and Honda, they are FULL of every possible model of each manufacture except Honda. Since covid the tale for the shortage was due to the supply chain. OK, believable for a while, but not anymore. These other manufactures have to deal with the supply chain also, but their dealers are full of their SxS. Anyone know the real reason why Honda dealers are not just as full of SxS???

I agree! Why is Honda labeling the 22's as a 23S, if they would delivered the 22's there would be no 22S's and would have been sold in 22?

 

[BigOL3]

You strike a OEM supplier deal with a shock company say FOX for QS3s at $300 a pair but Yamaha, CanAm , Polaris deal is paying $325 a pair. Who's order are you going to fill first for 20,000 pairs? That should answer your $2.5 million vs. $2 million dollar profit margin question.

Seems like a poor excuse and logic. Better to sell 10X's the number of Talons by going ahead and paying the $25 extra, rather than cheap out on the Fox and only have 1/10 of the number of Talons available. It ain't like the Honda are selling for less. Also, no reason for Fox not to be able to make all the shocks that are needed. ATV Zone in Roseland showroom and outside holding area is slap full of every type of CanAm, Polaris, and Yamaha you can think of.

 

[P1K5Dave]

You strike a OEM supplier deal with a shock company say FOX for QS3s at $300 a pair but Yamaha, CanAm , Polaris deal is paying $325 a pair. Who's order are you going to fill first for 20,000 pairs? That should answer your $2.5 million vs. $2 million dollar profit margin question.

Where are you getting that info?

 

[JACKAL]

Where are you getting that info?

It's just an example of why. Showa is now the primary ODM supplier for Honda UTV shocks and outside the Pioneer 1000-6 seems to be very slim pickings on regular / deluxe Pioneer 1000s

As far as where I get my information, we'll I don't plan on getting subpoenaed again alleging disclosure of trade secrets. Let's just say I know John Doe #2 real well.

Honda of South Carolina files lawsuit alleging trade secret violations

"WPDE — Honda of South Carolina has filed a lawsuit alleging people, referred to as John Does 1 2 3 linked to HondaSxS.com, violated the Trade Secret Act concerning its Talon side-by-side . The lawsuit says, "On November 27, 2018, Honda released to the public, for the first time, certain...

hondasxs.com

 

[Todd627]

Where are you getting that info?

John Doe #2 🤫

 

[Smitty335]

It's just an example of why. Showa is now the primary ODM supplier for Honda UTV shocks and outside the Pioneer 1000-6 seems to be very slim pickings on regular / deluxe Pioneer 1000s

As far as where I get my information, we'll I don't plan on getting subpoenaed again alleging disclosure of trade secrets. Let's just say I know John Doe #2 real well.

Honda of South Carolina files lawsuit alleging trade secret violations

"WPDE — Honda of South Carolina has filed a lawsuit alleging people, referred to as John Does 1 2 3 linked to HondaSxS.com, violated the Trade Secret Act concerning its Talon side-by-side . The lawsuit says, "On November 27, 2018, Honda released to the public, for the first time, certain...

hondasxs.com

Still much TMINF!

 

[ODAMO]

Even at Dealers that are 100% Honda, there seem to be very few Pioneers and esp. Talons. But at a local dealer that handles CanAm, Polaris, Yamaha, and Honda, they are FULL of every possible model of each manufacture except Honda. Since covid the tale for the shortage was due to the supply chain. OK, believable for a while, but not anymore. These other manufactures have to deal with the supply chain also, but their dealers are full of their SxS. Anyone know the real reason why Honda dealers are not just as full of SxS???

This is why Honda is pulling some supply chain outta china. To prevent this from happening continuously. Hopefully America is doing likewise.

 

[HondaTech]

It seems to be a shock supply issue on Talons.

Not sure what the Pioneer problem is. I know for awhile is was Bighorn tires, hence the switch without telling anyone in 2021

At one time we were told DCT ATVs couldn't get PCMs. Then the TRX90 was waiting on grips.

 

[Jerryg]

Because Honda sucks................

 

[JenElio]

Because Honda sucks................

🤔.....and the others, swallow?....

 

[BigOL3]

You would think that whatever the problems may be, if Honda was not smart enough to figure a way around it, they would be smart enough to at least follow what the other manufacture are doing since they are producing LOTS of SxS.

 

[Scoop]

You would think that whatever the problems may be, if Honda was not smart enough to figure a way around it, they would be smart enough to at least follow what the other manufacture are doing since they are producing LOTS of SxS.

Honda is not a follower, thankfully. Otherwise, we'd have CVTs, belts, and SXS's catching on fire all the time.

 

[ChadD]

You would think that whatever the problems may be, if Honda was not smart enough to figure a way around it, they would be smart enough to at least follow what the other manufacture are doing since they are producing LOTS of SxS.

Maybe they know something we don't yet 🤔.
Other manufacturers could get stuck with LOTS of SxS 😉

 

[Smitty335]

Maybe they know something we don't yet 🤔.
Other manufacturers could get stuck with LOTS of SxS 😉

Yep, the economy tanked a month ago, it'll take the Government another 5 months to even know it happened.

 

[Scoop]

Yep, the economy tanked a month ago, it'll take the Government another 5 months to even know it happened.

Know it? They were/are a major contributing factor to it ... and not by mistake!

 

[Smitty335]

Know it? They were/are a major contributing factor to it ... and not by mistake!

Yep by trying to control inflation with interest rates and not treating the real cause, supply.

 

[CID]

Maybe they know something we don't yet 🤔.
Other manufacturers could get stuck with LOTS of SxS 😉

Our economy is teetering on the edge, you could very well be right. bidenomics are about to crash everything IMO.

 

[Scoop]

Yep by trying to control inflation and not treating the real cause, supply.

Printing money, borrowing money, and spending money you don't have is not "trying to control inflation". On the contrary - they are trying to destroy our economy and the nation as we know it. It's part of thier long term plan to "fundamentally change this country".