P1000 Do I need dual battery for winch and light bar?

[bacchus]

2018 Pioneer 1000-5. Plan on a warn 4500lb winch and a full width light bar. Do I need a second battery setup? Both should only be used when its running except occasionally maybe the light bar would be used a few minutes without it running.

 

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[Smitty335]

2018 Pioneer 1000-5. Plan on a warn 4500lb winch and a full width light bar. Do I need a second battery setup? Both should only be used when its running except occasionally maybe the light bar would be used a few minutes without it running.

I would, that way your running battery isn't effected by any accessories.

 

[CID]

The first time I needed my winch, a guy was really stuck, sunk to the skid in packed snow, all four tires were in their own 'pockets', much like a post turtle. That thing wouldn't budge, it was stuck and pulled my primary battery waaaaay down, I was afraid to turn it off, thinking it wouldn't restart.

That event encouraged me to install a second battery.

So, are ya feelin' lucky?

 

[bacchus]

What's the go to kit for dual battery? I'm guessing you wire all accessories to the second battery and the stator will keep both batteries charged?

 

[Mark in Northern Iowa]

Howdy and welcome from Northern Iowa
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[Mopower58]

What's the go to kit for dual battery? I'm guessing you wire all accessories to the second battery and the stator will keep both batteries charged?

The club store should have everything you need except the batteries. And @Hondasxs can help you with knowledge. He is full of it! Knowledge that is. 🤣

 

[bacchus]

My bad....for your troubles ...bone stock except for lid and windshield...

 

[TxDoc]

Please correct if wrong....Worst case, if the primary (only) battery you have gets run down to a low enough voltage, then the Dual Clutch Transmission clutches may slip and permanently ruin the clutches and possibly result in needing a new transmission and/or well over $3,000 in repairs.

 

[Smitty335]

Please correct if wrong....Worst case, if the primary (only) battery you have gets run down to a low enough voltage, then the Dual Clutch Transmission clutches may slip and permanently ruin the clutches and possibly result in needing a new transmission and/or well over $3,000 in repairs.

Gloom & Doom, you make it sound soo bad! HA! I second the second!

 

[Scoop]

Anything more than a couple of low amperage lights or accessories, I recommend a second battery and battery isolator. Especially a winch.

For anything I buy, I would never consider NOT having a second battery. Relatively speaking, it's cheap insurance.

 

[Banjo5]

I'm in the process of getting together everything for my dual battery install. I'm just waiting on the Mighty Max and relay for my dual voltmeter to arrive. I wonder why Honda sells the Trail and Forest model as well as offer a winch as an accessory but only has a single battery. Given the concerns over draining the main battery, you'd think Honda would offer or recommend a 2nd battery for a winch. At least they thought enough about it to provide another place that fits a 2nd battery.

 

[Scoop]

I wonder why Honda sells the Trail and Forest model as well as offer a winch as an accessory but only has a single battery.

To keep the MSRP price down.

 

[Banjo5]

To keep the MSRP price down.

No doubt. These machines aren't getting any cheaper that is for sure.

 

[NEfarm_ranch]

I frequently pull pivots out with the winch on my '22 p1k3. I also run a basic radio. I don't have a dual battery and haven't had any problems yet. No shifting issues, no problems starting, but I do keep the machine running while using the winch.

 

[bumperm]

I frequently pull pivots out with the winch on my '22 p1k3. I also run a basic radio. I don't have a dual battery and haven't had any problems yet. No shifting issues, no problems starting, but I do keep the machine running while using the winch.

Keeping the engine running is a good idea, especially if you don't have the recommended Aux battery for winching. (Or wenching.)

Consider, the 4,500 winch can draw over 200 amps at full load - winding in a slack line takes 30! The alternator, with the engine running at 5,000 rpm, can make about 50 amps, the engine, with all it's smart stuff, will take some of that, leaving some to help the battery . . . but in NO WAY can it keep up. If the engine is at idle, the alternator is putting out much-much less. And you may be in a situation where you need to winch but cannot run the engine.

Bottom line, if you are going to go interesting places with your P1000, it's very advisable to have an Aux battery and a winch. The Aux will help preserve your main battery to get you home AFTER you get your machine out of whatever predicament you were bright enough to get yourself into! It's like insurance. Or as Dirty Harry said, "Do you feel lucky, Punk? Well do you?"

 

[NewHere2]

Keeping the engine running is a good idea, especially if you don't have the recommended Aux battery for winching. (Or wenching.)

Consider, the 4,500 winch can draw over 200 amps at full load - winding in a slack line takes 30! The alternator, with the engine running at 5,000 rpm, can make about 50 amps, the engine, with all it's smart stuff, will take some of that, leaving some to help the battery . . . but in NO WAY can it keep up. If the engine is at idle, the alternator is putting out much-much less. And you may be in a situation where you need to winch but cannot run the engine.

Bottom line, if you are going to go interesting places with your P1000, it's very advisable to have an Aux battery and a winch. The Aux will help preserve your main battery to get you home AFTER you get your machine out of whatever predicament you were bright enough to get yourself into! It's like insurance. Or as Dirty Harry said, "Do you feel lucky, Punk? Well do you?"

There Ya Go ! All Ya Need to Know !

 

[NEfarm_ranch]

Keeping the engine running is a good idea, especially if you don't have the recommended Aux battery for winching. (Or wenching.)

Consider, the 4,500 winch can draw over 200 amps at full load - winding in a slack line takes 30! The alternator, with the engine running at 5,000 rpm, can make about 50 amps, the engine, with all it's smart stuff, will take some of that, leaving some to help the battery . . . but in NO WAY can it keep up. If the engine is at idle, the alternator is putting out much-much less. And you may be in a situation where you need to winch but cannot run the engine.

Bottom line, if you are going to go interesting places with your P1000, it's very advisable to have an Aux battery and a winch. The Aux will help preserve your main battery to get you home AFTER you get your machine out of whatever predicament you were bright enough to get yourself into! It's like insurance. Or as Dirty Harry said, "Do you feel lucky, Punk? Well do you?"

I agree with all of this. If you are going way off road it would probably be a necessity. If, like my situation, you will always be in situations you can be rescued, it does work without the dual battery. After a year of hard use and 4,000 + miles the battery is the weakest mechanical component of the machine (cab sucks). This thing is shaping up to be bullet proof. Performance is awesome. Transmission is a dream come true. If/when oem battery fails I will be taking a hard look at a single large battery.

 

[Scoop]

I agree with all of this. If you are going way off road it would probably be a necessity. If, like my situation, you will always be in situations you can be rescued, it does work without the dual battery. After a year of hard use and 4,000 + miles the battery is the weakest mechanical component of the machine (cab sucks). This thing is shaping up to be bullet proof. Performance is awesome. Transmission is a dream come true. If/when oem battery fails I will be taking a hard look at a single large battery.

A second battery is like an umbrella, a firearm, or insurance: It is better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Relative to adding an auxiliary battery and isolator, this is pretty cheap insurance if you roam very far away from home or your tow vehicle, especially if you travel alone.

As Mark Twain wrote, "You pays your money and you takes your choice!" Or, in this case, your choice might be to not pay.

 

[Scoop]

If/when oem battery fails I will be taking a hard look at a single large battery.

A single large battery does have advantages over the smaller OEM battery, but I personally wouldn't run ONLY a single large battery.
IMHO, two batteries, regardless of size, and an isolator is better protection than one large battery.

 

[bumperm]

Another issue with a single large battery is where to put it? Under the seat is an obvious and frequently mentioned spot, but I suspect most don't insulate the battery from the heat there. With 77F as a baseline, increasing temperature by just 18F will cut a lead acid battery's life in half. (A six year projected life becomes 3.) So an under seat install should have both insulation and probably also have ducting to bring in fresh air and remove hot air for the battery containment.

Considering this, the two smaller battery under the hood option, that most seem to go for, looks like a more practical choice.