Govt Mule 2024 Talon 1000R Parts Addition Thread

[Scoop]

Shock pics added.

Ain't it great working on a new buggy?

Looks good!

 

[Admin]

 

[Neohio]

So the springs are not preload adjustable like the fox?

 

[Backwoods]

Gotta check out the adjustments when I get time. Not quite as easy as the Fox QS3 but not difficult either.

I’d wait until you can replicate your normal riding conditions. Then drive it a while before making to many changes. If you continuously play with them you’ll never find the sweet spot. 1 or 2 clicks you won’t notice a difference.

 

[GovtMule]

I’d wait until you can replicate your normal riding conditions. Then drive it a while before making to many changes. If you continuously play with them you’ll never find the sweet spot. 1 or 2 clicks you won’t notice a difference.

I agree. Just wanted to see the range.

 

[GovtMule]

So the springs are not preload adjustable like the fox?

The reservoirs are adjustable with clicks of the set screw. Like BW said it may be hard to fine tune not on the trail.

 

[Mopower58]

I think @Neohio is asking if the springs have a preload adjustment on them, the collars that require a spanner wrench.

 

[CID]

Looks like they missed the mark on the upper springs, they're almost coil bound, even before the initial 'set'. 😒

 

[GovtMule]

Looks like they missed the mark on the upper springs, they're almost coil bound, even before the initial 'set'. 😒

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Yup. I see that now.

 

[Hondasxs]

Yup. I see that now.

I see, But perhaps we are misunderstanding it's function.

I say that because honda is betting big on the change to Showa.

Late next week I will have more info on these and I will ask Honda why it's like this factory.

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[Mudwisel]

Looks like they missed the mark on the upper springs, they're almost coil bound, even before the initial 'set'. 😒

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Interesting that they would do that

 

[GovtMule]

I see, But perhaps we are misunderstanding it's function.

I say that because honda is betting big on the change to Showa.

Late next week I will have more info on these and I will ask Honda why it's like this factory.

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I’ll send you some better pics to ask them about.

 

[Mudwisel]

I see, But perhaps we are misunderstanding it's function.

I say that because honda is betting big on the change to Showa.

Late next week I will have more info on these and I will ask Honda why it's like this factory.

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Showa just like a lot of manufactures have had some good and bad shocks over the years. The bad ones were usually caused by the factory missing the mark on what they speced but other times they pretty much nailed it

 

[CID]

Here's a photo of my sacked out upper spring (rear), it started out about 4". This is with 2 spares, a Dirt Road Fabrication bed extender and a full TSC bed box, about 225-250 lbs. This was with full preload, I had no adjustment left and the back end had drooped to ~10-1/2" ground clearance (should be 14" with 30" tires).

 

[906UP]

Looks like they missed the mark on the upper springs, they're almost coil bound, even before the initial 'set'. 😒

View attachment 431833

I see, But perhaps we are misunderstanding it's function.

I say that because honda is betting big on the change to Showa.

Late next week I will have more info on these and I will ask Honda why it's like this factory.

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I believe you are..... the tender spring in most applications isn't to carry load....as in have space netween the coils when vehicle is sitting at rest, the primary function is normally to prevent the main spring from coming loose when at full droop. When the shock fully extends the tender keeps the pack tight to prevent bind and noise.

 

[CID]

I believe you are..... the tender spring in most applications isn't to carry load....as in have space netween the coils when vehicle is sitting at rest, the primary function is normally to prevent the main spring from coming loose when at full droop. When the shock fully extends the tender keeps the pack tight to prevent bind and noise.

Ok, first off - I'm not arguing, just trying to understand the engineering. Most of you guys have been doing this longer than my 4 years.

I've heard that theory and it made sense but I 'thought' that the tenders carried the lighter loads, providing a softer ride, lower spring rate at lower speeds. Using them to only capture the lower spring at droop, wastes much of their capabilities, the biggest being load bearing at a lower spring rate. I'll bet dollars to donuts that the aftermarket springs, from everyone, will use a tender that's long enough, with enough spring rate, to act like the first gen Talons; and most every off road race vehicle since the invention of crossover rings. That's assuming that the Showas are still using crossovers.

Again, not trying to ruffle feathers, just trying to understand better. We'll know soon enough, Richard and the aftermarket will fill us (me) in.

Sorry about the thread hijack, GovtMule. 😊

 

[lee]

1st question should be “how much suspension stroke till the tender spring coil binds?”
I think you guys are doing keyboard warrior engineering and your base assumption is Chinese misinformation.
@CID what you say is correct, tender spring gives a soft ride for some amount of the suspension stroke.

 

[GovtMule]

1st question should be “how much suspension stroke till the tender spring coil binds?”
I think you guys are doing keyboard warrior engineering and your base assumption is Chinese misinformation.
@CID what you say is correct, tender spring gives a soft ride for some amount of the suspension stroke.

I for one have no idea!

 

[Scoop]

I for one have no idea!

I like that about you, @GovtMule: You are as honest as the day is long! 😀

 

[Mudwisel]

The tender spring plus the main spring give you an over all effective spring rate. That will determine the load it can carry. What it also allows is the spring to feel softer in the beginning while still being stiffer at the end. I am not saying it is always the best for all circumstances. I was just curios why Honda felt no need for preload adjustment. Must be a reason. GM may find the factory set up perfect . Let the suspension settle a bit then adjust depending on what you want. Or not

 

[Scoop]

... to feel softer in the beginning while still being stiffer at the end.

TWSS