Hands on Review of the new 2023 Honda Talon 1000 R4

[CID]

What I'm thinking also, but maybe not that dramatic.
Then I would expect L & R axles, but I just checked too and there not listed.
You wouldn't want it pushing itself off.
You would want it pulling itself in. right?
IDK.

That's what I'm thinkin'.

 

[HondaTech]

You guys don't think that it wouldn't be pushing or pulling since the hub is essentially attached to the axle with the nut?

Maybe I'm just not that smart🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[Hondasxs]

You guys don't think that it wouldn't be pushing or pulling since the hub is essentially attached to the axle with the nut?

Maybe I'm just not that smart🤷🏻‍♂️

IDK... Maybe we aren't either.

 

[CID]

You guys don't think that it wouldn't be pushing or pulling since the hub is essentially attached to the axle with the nut?

Maybe I'm just not that smart🤷🏻‍♂️

I can't think of any reason to use a helical cut spline if they weren't trying to direct the force inward. But I ain't no engineer either. ☺️

 

[Hondasxs]

Let me ping someone smarter than us and ask. lol.

 

[Hondasxs]

re-phrasing from someone smarter.
It's made helical in order to reduce the clearances in the splines.
This should reduce the small movements in the hub causing the torque loss.
Direction is not a concern as the bigger nut should take care of that.
The downside, it will be harder and more confusing for a trail-side repair.

 

[CID]

re-phrasing from someone smarter.
It's made helical in order to reduce the clearances in the splines.
This should reduce the small movements in the hub causing the torque loss.
Direction is not a concern as the bigger nut should take care of that.
The downside, it will be harder and more confusing for a trail-side repair.

Thanks for the follow up. 👍

These are just loose leaf thoughts, similar to the ones I posted earlier, just OCD pondering why the change was made (but not arguing with it).

Not being a gear engineer, I wonder if the helical cut is like the photo I posted above or simply the cut of the spline teeth themselves - maybe a more rounded, better fitting tooth engagement, not a spiral cut? It's been said some of the SxSs have straight cut gears in the differential, for instance. @906UP ?

"Reducing the small movements in the hub causing torque loss" - LOL, leave it to a well educated engineer to overthink a nonissue IMO. They should spend that time and money on an effective air intake system.

"Direction ... bigger nut" - 🤔

"Harder and more confusing" - Hmmmm ...

Anyway, thanks again ...

 

[906UP]

Thanks for the follow up. 👍

These are just loose leaf thoughts, similar to the ones I posted earlier, just OCD pondering why the change was made (but not arguing with it).

Not being a gear engineer, I wonder if the helical cut is like the photo I posted above or simply the cut of the spline teeth themselves - maybe a more rounded, better fitting tooth engagement, not a spiral cut? It's been said some of the SxSs have straight cut gears in the differential, for instance. @906UP ?

"Reducing the small movements in the hub causing torque loss" - LOL, leave it to a well educated engineer to overthink a nonissue IMO. They should spend that time and money on an effective air intake system.

"Direction ... bigger nut" - 🤔

"Harder and more confusing" - Hmmmm ...

Anyway, thanks again ...

In tha automotive world they will put helical splines between 2 gears on 1 shaft that should never come apart again, but it's not enough to notice with the naked eye. We're talking a helix of 1.5° or so, one side (the hub) would be cut straight, 0°, while the axle stub might have a 0.5° helix. When bolted together it "locks" due to the interference between the too helix angles. It works great but can be a b1tch to take apart.....need a BFH!

 

[Hondasxs]

In tha automotive world they will put helical splines between 2 gears on 1 shaft that should never come apart again, but it's not enough to notice with the naked eye. We're talking a helix of 1.5° or so, one side (the hub) would be cut straight, 0°, while the axle stub might have a 0.5° helix. When bolted together it "locks" due to the interference between the too helix angles. It works great but can be a b1tch to take apart.....need a BFH!

I think this is what we will be dealing with.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

In tha automotive world they will put helical splines between 2 gears on 1 shaft that should never come apart again, but it's not enough to notice with the naked eye. We're talking a helix of 1.5° or so, one side (the hub) would be cut straight, 0°, while the axle stub might have a 0.5° helix. When bolted together it "locks" due to the interference between the too helix angles. It works great but can be a b1tch to take apart.....need a BFH!

This definitely sounds like the most logical answer. Honestly, I always thought the hub came off way to easy once the axle nut and caliper were off. In automotive applications at the very least you need a slide hammer but most of the time it's usually a press out/in affair.

 

[Hondasxs]

I'm still debating on picking one up. I need to sell my Pioneer 1000-5 first, its waiting on a few parts to make it 100% for the new owner.
Once thats done, I will start looking.
Going to add a bench seat in the back to seat my 3 kids.

 

[Adam490]

I'm still debating on picking one up. I need to sell my Pioneer 1000-5 first, its waiting on a few parts to make it 100% for the new owner.
Once thats done, I will start looking.
Going to add a bench seat in the back to seat my 3 kids.

It's a tax write off! You need one for "business" purposes to R&D.... You actually need 2, then I can test the products in a different environment .

 

[Tramguage1]

It's a tax write off! You need one for "business" purposes to R&D.... You actually need 2, then I can test the products in a different environment .

My machine is avalable for some $$$ for R&D services!!!

 

[NTCPrezJB]

My machine is avalable for some $$$ for R&D services!!!

I can give you lots of dollar signs $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
…it’s the actual dollars I would have a hard time parting with. 😂🤣

 

[HondaTech]

I'm still debating on picking one up. I need to sell my Pioneer 1000-5 first, its waiting on a few parts to make it 100% for the new owner.
Once thats done, I will start looking.
Going to add a bench seat in the back to seat my 3 kids.

We're currently 3 or 4 deep on our next 4R, for now we've only been given the 1 sold already.