P1000 P1000 i-4wd delete ??

[NorthernJoe]

I'm not here to tell you that I love or hate the i-4wd. All summer it did everything I wanted it to. Not that the snow has arrived and I've switched to my snow tires (ProArmor Whiteouts 27x14x14) I'm feeling like I only have 2wd We had 18" of fresh powder and I can hardly get my buggy moving. Obviously there is a lot of spinning happening, The front feels like the right tire spins and then gets stopped, then the left starts to spin and it gets stopped. this happens so fast that it feels like the front wheels are turning slower than the rears You can actually feel the power shifting left and right so fast that it feel like something is about to break. I drive a Subaru Outback, In deep snow like this I turn off the traction control and like magic I get enough traction to move forward. I have searched here and the world wide web and find info on a i-4wd override for the talon. torque locker for the P500, but nothing for my 2022 P1K Trail. Surely somebody has figured out how to temporarily override the i-4wd on the P1K Can anybody please point me in the right direction?

 

[Mark in Northern Iowa]

This thread pretty much walks you through everything that you need to test.
Even talks about a bypass in post #16.

I 4wd not working.

Hey, I found out this weekend my 4wd was not working. I got stuck. I was switched to 4wd, and the dash said I was in 4wd, but not. So I did some checking, in the factory manual, I have 12v at the fuse, and it’s good. Then the fuse by the battery. Is good, then I went on to the relay, it has all...

hondasxs.com

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Have a good day

 

[ODAMO]

There is a difference between Traction Control and Brake Based Traction Equalization systems. In your Subaru, by turning off the TC you also stopped the throttle intervention.
Overriding the Talon system does not turn off throttle intervention because it doesn’t have it.
You don’t want to turn it off and if you do I got $20 says you turn it back on once you see that it really helps. With systems like this you might benefit by more aggressive brake pads if available, Maybe a set from the new 1000-6 might help.

 

[NorthernJoe]

This thread pretty much walks you through everything that you need to test.
Even talks about a bypass in post #16.

I 4wd not working.

Hey, I found out this weekend my 4wd was not working. I got stuck. I was switched to 4wd, and the dash said I was in 4wd, but not. So I did some checking, in the factory manual, I have 12v at the fuse, and it’s good. Then the fuse by the battery. Is good, then I went on to the relay, it has all...

hondasxs.com

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Have a good day

Thanks Mark
The OP in that thread has a talon, does the pioneer have the same system? the i4wd override kit on the club store says it won't work on a pioneer??

 

[NorthernJoe]

There is a difference between Traction Control and Brake Based Traction Equalization systems. In your Subaru, by turning off the TC you also stopped the throttle intervention.
Overriding the Talon system does not turn off throttle intervention because it doesn’t have it.
You don’t want to turn it off and if you do I got $20 says you turn it back on once you see that it really helps. With systems like this you might benefit by more aggressive brake pads if available, Maybe a set from the new 1000-6 might help.

Odamo, I get the difference between the two systems. What I was getting at is the "intelligent" part is great for most situations but sometimes it would be nice to turn it off and use the brute force and ignorance system. my i4wd is working correctly, but in deep snow conditions I want all 4 tires pulling all the time, not some computer trying to stop the tires from spinning

 

[CID]

Thanks Mark
The OP in that thread has a talon, does the pioneer have the same system? the i4wd override kit on the club store says it won't work on a pioneer??

I don't know if the systems are identical but I'd think they have to be very close. Very slippery conditions seem to be the Achilles tendon of the i4wd system, snow being the worst.

@Hondasxs why does the club store say the override kit won't work on a pioneer?

 

[Hondasxs]

I don't know if the systems are identical but I'd think they have to be very close. Very slippery conditions seem to be the Achilles tendon of the i4wd system, snow being the worst.

@Hondasxs why does the club store say the override kit won't work on a pioneer?

Pioneer is mechanical 4x4 engagement.
Talon is electronic 4x4 engagement.

3x4 still works on the Pioneer when the i4wd goes into fault.
On the Talon, it does not, and you're stuck in 2x4 mode until you can clear the fault.

There is no need for an i4wd delete on the Pioneer unless you have a special case. In which you can just denie it power by pulling the fuse. Doing the same on a Talon leaves you in 2x4 only.

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[ODAMO]

Odamo, I get the difference between the two systems. What I was getting at is the "intelligent" part is great for most situations but sometimes it would be nice to turn it off and use the brute force and ignorance system. my i4wd is working correctly, but in deep snow conditions I want all 4 tires pulling all the time, not some computer trying to stop the tires from spinning

If you have a fuse for the I4wd, pulling it should eliminate its function. But when you do this you will only turn your front axle into a One Wheel Wonder. As in OPEN Diff. And when you add in some Brute Force you get one front tire spinning really fast. The lack of articulation will assure that.

 

[ODAMO]

I don't know if the systems are identical but I'd think they have to be very close. Very slippery conditions seem to be the Achilles tendon of the i4wd system, snow being the worst.

@Hondasxs why does the club store say the override kit won't work on a pioneer?

Aggressive brake pads help elimate some of the lag in this type of system. I used aggressive ones on a Jeep and it made the BLD System more responsive. Also, this system rewards steady throttle input

 

[NorthernJoe]

If you have a fuse for the I4wd, pulling it should eliminate its function. But when you do this you will only turn your front axle into a One Wheel Wonder. As in OPEN Diff. And when you add in some Brute Force you get one front tire spinning really fast. The lack of articulation will assure that.

That's what I was afraid of How do I get the front diff to lock up?

 

[ODAMO]

Add a locker.

 

[ODAMO]

That's what I was afraid of How do I get the front diff to lock up?

Try pads from a 23 1000-6 if you can. They are rumored to be more aggressive.

 

[ODAMO]

Try pads from a 23 1000-6 if you can. They are rumored to be more aggressive.

I used EBC pads on my Jeep and they have some options for Pioneers. Give it a look.

 

[NorthernJoe]

Add a locker.

just going down that rabbit hole now...

 

[NorthernJoe]

I used EBC pads on my Jeep and they have some options for Pioneers. Give it a look.

I'm not sure brake pads are the issue, it's more like the i4wd is hunting side to side. Not sure I'm explaining clearly, left tire turns 1/2 a rotation and stops then right tire turns 1/2 a rotation and stops, repeat, repeat, repeat.... it happens so fast that all i seem to do is dig the front down and not pull forward. If i let off the gas and then gently start to move forward, I move about a foot and the "bunny hopping" starts again. Does that give you a picture of what I'm trying to overcome?

 

[TripleB]

I'm not sure brake pads are the issue, it's more like the i4wd is hunting side to side. Not sure I'm explaining clearly, left tire turns 1/2 a rotation and stops then right tire turns 1/2 a rotation and stops, repeat, repeat, repeat.... it happens so fast that all i seem to do is dig the front down and not pull forward. If i let off the gas and then gently start to move forward, I move about a foot and the "bunny hopping" starts again. Does that give you a picture of what I'm trying to overcome?

3 wheel drive is the best you can hope for. Or I will trade you my 2018 with a true locked and unlockable front diff. Even swap for your i4wd machine. Deal?

 

[ODAMO]

I'm not sure brake pads are the issue, it's more like the i4wd is hunting side to side. Not sure I'm explaining clearly, left tire turns 1/2 a rotation and stops then right tire turns 1/2 a rotation and stops, repeat, repeat, repeat.... it happens so fast that all i seem to do is dig the front down and not pull forward. If i let off the gas and then gently start to move forward, I move about a foot and the "bunny hopping" starts again. Does that give you a picture of what I'm trying to overcome?

Better pads might reduce that hysteris to 1/4 - 1/3 a rotation.....
Plus some of the bunny hop is from drivetrain wind-up.

 

[NorthernJoe]

3 wheel drive is the best you can hope for. Or I will trade you my 2018 with a true locked and unlockable front diff. Even swap for your i4wd machine. Deal?

thanks for the generous offer I'll just stay on the packed trail and use the sled if we get a fresh dump of snow. Thanks to all who answered my questions and to hondasxs for explaining the difference between the talon and pioneer systems