P1000 Parking Brake

[dswv42]

Has anyone tried adding a REAL parking brake to the Honda Pioneer 1000? Note that I'm talking about a cable actuated parking brake, one that provides mechanical redundancy, unlike the the cheap addons that rely on the existing hydraulic brakes. Bust a brake line while parked on a hill, and it's a very bad day.

Parts are readily available, so adding a mechanical parking brake shouldn't be too difficult, except for the calipers themselves. The existing brake calipers could be replaced with combination parking brake calipers, if suitable brake calipers could be located that fit the existing mounts, even if they use different pads. Separate parking brake calipers could be added, but it would be much more complicated because custom mounts would have to be fabricated.

 

[JTW]

Snuff did... but if you have an updated master cylinder your “cheap add ons” work great. The new master cylinders are dual meaning you have separate front and rear breaks.

 

[DDDonkey]

Check out this thread by @utvmi , he had a parking brake installed to pass MI inspection.

Road Legal Michgan, 2019, HB 5639

Did you find someone to install an emergency brake for you?

hondasxs.com

 

[dswv42]

The new master cylinders are dual meaning you have separate front and rear breaks.

I read that the original master cylinder design used a single fluid reservoir for the front and rear brakes, meaning that a busted brake line would result in a complete loss of all brakes. Did Honda finally change it to a safer dual-reservoir design? Some of their piss poor design decisions makes me wonder if they even bothered to test these things, let alone consider how they would actually be used. Honda should know better.

 

[dswv42]

The following video shows the factory rear hydraulic brake setup used on a Honda Pioneer 1000 machine. The caliper brackets look like a common design, which might make finding combination parking brake calipers a little easier. The calipers themselves appear to be made by a Japanese company called Nissin (Not Nissan), so perhaps something from a Japanese compact car or mini-truck might fit?

For comparison, the following video shows the combination parking brake caliper used on the drive shaft of the Honda Pioneer 500 and 700 machines. Oddly enough, the caliper itself appear to mount to the bracket in much the same way as the OEM calipers used on the Pioneer 1000 machines.

 

[JTW]

I read that the original master cylinder design used a single fluid reservoir for the front and rear brakes, meaning that a busted brake line would result in a complete loss of all brakes. Did Honda finally change it to a safer dual-reservoir design? Some of their piss poor design decisions makes me wonder if they even bothered to test these things, let alone consider how they would actually be used. Honda should know better.

I think it changed in 18 ish... I know a 2019 cylinder will give you dual reservoirs. I haven’t done it on mine yet. And considering I bought the KRX I don’t know that I will. But I think that’s your best option. Hillbilly Brake and new master cylinder. I know what you mean about the frustration with Honda and some of their design decisions!

 

[dswv42]

I think it changed in 18 ish... I know a 2019 cylinder will give you dual reservoirs. I haven’t done it on mine yet. And considering I bought the KRX I don’t know that I will. But I think that’s your best option. Hillbilly Brake and new master cylinder. I know what you mean about the frustration with Honda and some of their design decisions!

I haven't actually bought a Honda Pioneer yet, and plan to purchase a new 2021 1000-3 when they become widely available and the prices start to fall. Perhaps in 3-6 months? In the mean time, I'm learning everything I can about them, and found many more problems than I expected from a machine built by Honda.

 

[snuffnwhisky]

'16 had the single resivor. After that, probably after seeing my post, went to a dual which segregates front and rear resivors.

 

[dswv42]

Buy a KRX if you’re wanting to ride

My use-case scenario is 90% work and 10% play, where I need a dump bed. Sport SXS machines are nice, but not very practical for every day use.

 

[dswv42]

I thought the work side would be more important than it’s actually been. I find myself using it for riding more than work... tractors and trucks and such are better than the sxs for the work I do.

Likewise, I have a truck and tractor to do the heavy lifting, but it's the little day to day stuff that gets me the most. Haul some yard debris, a few bags of cement, wood scraps, take down the trash, pull my 5x8 utility trailer, etc. The list of small chores is endless. For me, a sport-utility SXS with decent trail riding capabilities, plenty of power and a decent top speed, is the perfect compromise.

 

[dswv42]

All depends on what you’re looking for. I just found that I ride harder and more than I ever thought I would and that a more sport machine is better suited than a more utility machine given the other toys I have access too.

Also, for the money.. you’ll find the KRX is what you will strive the pioneer mods to be. Particularly if you’re buying a 3 seater. It’s waaaaaay cheaper to just buy the KRX than to make the wanted changes to the pioneer. Just ask snuff, Joey or Wes. Lol or the 100’s of us that havent taken that long travel step.

Kawasaki burned me once, never again. Besides, I actually need a bed for utility tasks.

 

[JTW]

Kawasaki burned me once, never again. Besides, I actually need a bed for utility tasks.

Don’t put your leg against the hot thing and that won’t happen.

lol.. but seriously, if you think the pioneer won’t. LMAO!!

 

[dswv42]

Don’t put your leg against the hot thing and that won’t happen.

lol.. but seriously, if you think the pioneer won’t. LMAO!!

Last time I took the leap without knowing what I was getting myself into. However, this time is different, and I will know the machine better than many dealer mechanics before I buy it. The hardest part will be fighting the urge to strip and modify it right away, but I plan to be prudent and give myself some time to use it, possibly coming up with new ideas over time. It also allows time to shake out any hidden bugs, just in case the factory warranty comes into play. Assuming Honda doesn't pull the old "water ingestion", "impact damage" or "owner abuse" routimes.

 

[snuffnwhisky]

Last time I took the leap without knowing what I was getting myself into. However, this time is different, and I will know the machine better than many dealer mechanics before I buy it. The hardest part will be fighting the urge to strip and modify it right away, but I plan to be prudent and give myself some time to use it, possibly coming up with new ideas over time. It also allows time to shake out any hidden bugs, just in case the factory warranty comes into play. Assuming Honda doesn't pull the old "water ingestion", "impact damage" or "owner abuse" routimes.

After '16 no problem brake wise. Add a hillbilly brake for convenience.

 

[dswv42]

After '16 no problem brake wise. Add a hillbilly brake for convenience.

That's what I might do at first, but would feel much more confident with a real parking brake. Some chores require me to park on steep inclines, which can be quite dangerous if a machine were to suddenly move. I like living, and being crushed by a machine is not the way I hope to go when my time comes.

 

[JTW]

That's what I might do at first, but would feel much more confident with a real parking brake. Some chores require me to park on steep inclines, which can be quite dangerous if a machine were to suddenly move. I like living, and being crushed by a machine is not the way I hope to go when my time comes.

Have you considered carrying a railroad tie?

 

[snuffnwhisky]

Park in the trans is no different than a car. Hillbilly brake is like setting your ebrake before going to park.

 

[dswv42]

Have you considered carrying a railroad tie?

I use wheel chocks or whatever is suitable if none are handy. I see it the same way as working on vehicles sitting on jack stands, I've never trusted them, so I always stack solid oak blocks under a frame member or even just the wheel if I'm working on the brakes. It once saved my bacon when the vehicle weight shifted and down she went.

 

[JTW]

I use wheel chocks or whatever is suitaable if none are handy. I see it the same way as working on vehicles sitting on jack stands, I've never trusted them, so I always stack solid oak blocks under a frame member or even just the wheel if I'm working on the brakes. It once saved my bacon when the vehicle weight shifted and down she went..

I love it when she goes down

 

[MVH]

this place can do it