P1000 Wheel bonnet woes!!

[Cuoutdoors]

f*** it... I’m just going to chock the wheels with a piece of rail road tie and call it good. @Cuoutdoors @CumminsPusher

You're getting a little sensitive about this. It sounds like you just want everyone to agree with you and move on. So yes, go back to your old way and use the closed end straps. The trailer is enclosed anyway so the sxs isnt going to escape.

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[Cuoutdoors]

I prefer to not compress the suspension when hauling. Wheel straps or tire bonnets both achieve that. I use the straps and tighten them so hard it flexes the tire. They haven't come off that way.

Both are susceptible to a tire going flat. I also use a "safety" strap front and back. That way if there is a problem with the wheel straps the extra safety strap keeps it from moving very much.

Also are you setting your parking break? That will also help.

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[Ragnar406]

There won’t be tension... that’s correct. I agree, and as I said. A flat is a flat. But my point being. If my tires go flat, I still have the machine secured. It might move 6 inches but it should never leave the trailer. Whereas the bonnets could slip off the tire if there is a flat. Mine did fine when the tires were holding. And I liked it initially. But how many here have had the chance to test their means of tie down? I’m just bringing to attention the possibility of failure present with the bonnet system.

Yea, but you talking an extreme of 4 flat tires, 2 quality bonnets will hold, now if you really want to be safe wheel bonnets and your straps .... there your covered on straps ... just that that they may rip your attachment points out lol.

 

[ohanacreek]

I prefer to not compress the suspension when hauling. Wheel straps or tire bonnets both achieve that. I use the straps and tighten them so hard it flexes the tire. They haven't come off that way.

Both are susceptible to a tire going flat. I also use a "safety" strap front and back. That way if there is a problem with the wheel straps the extra safety strap keeps it from moving very much.

Also are you setting your parking break? That will also help.

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Not compressing the suspension makes the trailer ride REAL nice. I picked up a welding table that was a little more than half what the pioneer is and I felt EVERY bump in the road with it chained down.

 

[JimmyA]

f*** it... I’m just going to chock the wheels with a piece of rail road tie and call it good. @Cuoutdoors @CumminsPusher

lol

 

[Plumber32]

Not compressing the suspension makes the trailer ride REAL nice. I picked up a welding table that was a little more than half what the pioneer is and I felt EVERY bump in the road with it chained down.

Yeah but what were you pulling it with.

 

[Landman]

The CO trip was the maiden voyage using etrack, chocks, and straps over the tires. I checked them at least every other petro fill up. I had about 10-11 psi when I left AR and when I unloaded at Taylor Lake, I was at 16.5-17 psi in each tire. Naturally I lowered them back to 10 and then after leaving when we were around TX/OK at a stop, I checked and had to tighten the straps a few more clicks cause the tires had lost pressure from the elevation change. I’ve not checked them since unloading but it looks like they’re at maybe 5 psi. @JTW could the loss in your tires have been from the elevation change?

I will say this - it towed so much better using the straps on the tires instead of compressing the suspension... granted I’ve not got a cummins or eb motor - just a lowly tuned 5.3, but it felt so much smoother.

 

[my99svt]

And there are these which I use on my Talons.



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[JTW]

The CO trip was the maiden voyage using etrack, chocks, and straps over the tires. I checked them at least every other petro fill up. I had about 10-11 psi when I left AR and when I unloaded at Taylor Lake, I was at 16.5-17 psi in each tire. Naturally I lowered them back to 10 and then after leaving when we were around TX/OK at a stop, I checked and had to tighten the straps a few more clicks cause the tires had lost pressure from the elevation change. I’ve not checked them since unloading but it looks like they’re at maybe 5 psi. @JTW could the loss in your tires have been from the elevation change?

I will say this - it towed so much better using the straps on the tires instead of compressing the suspension... granted I’ve not got a cummins or eb motor - just a lowly tuned 5.3, but it felt so much smoother.

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I suspect one of the rear tires was due to elevation change. I was running about 8psi. The other was the gaping gash. I’m also a little curious if the torsion axles on the trailer are better suited with the wheel bonnets or pulling down the machine against the suspension.

 

[ohanacreek]

Yeah but what were you pulling it with.

I was making the point the suspension on the SxS absorbs some of the energy from rough roads vs the trailer suspension doing it all.

Steel welding table doesn’t have any suspension.

Doesn’t matter what you’re pulling it with it will save wear and tear on components.

 

[Plumber32]

I was making the point the suspension on the SxS absorbs some of the energy from rough roads vs the trailer suspension doing it all.

Steel welding table doesn’t have any suspension.

Doesn’t matter what you’re pulling it with it will save wear and tear on components.

I was starting the EcoBoost vs the world argument!

 

[ohanacreek]

I was starting the EcoBoost vs the world argument!

You CumminGs guys are so sensitive about that little ol’ EcoBoost...

 

[Cuoutdoors]

I suspect one of the rear tires was due to elevation change. I was running about 8psi. The other was the gaping gash. I’m also a little curious if the torsion axles on the trailer are better suited with the wheel bonnets or pulling down the machine against the suspension.

My enclosed has torsion axles and I use the tire straps. FWIW

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[JTW]

My enclosed has torsion axles and I use the tire straps. FWIW

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Just curious how they physics together. Lol

 

[L2R]

I have been using the bonnets on both front tires for years on golf cart and never had it budge.
Same on front tire of Harley, never moves.

odd that 2 tires went flat.
could it be that you strapped them down enough to pinch the flats?
If so, then maybe bonnets is the best method unless you have 5 psi in your tires.

Sounds like you are doing what you need to do but in general, I think bonnets work best for all the reasons mentioned in past posts.

So if you strap down the old way and get 2 flats, you will still have some slack as well, I would guess, so not sure either way works if the tires go down.

 

[Cuoutdoors]

Just curious how they physics together. Lol

They go up and down

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[JTW]

They go up and down

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I thought they went round and round?

 

[Kilo427]

Elevation likely the culprit on that issue. I’ll do a control test when I get mine running try to use same tension and let air out of each tire at a time doing a dead stop from 60 to see how much it moves with one flat, two flat ect. Then we can argue more about it. I use the bonnets cause For me they are easy and with the winch points up front I’m pretty sure all 4 are gonna have to give before I get much movement.

That and if I have regular straps I’m gonna end up grabbing them and using them for god knows what other purpose and destroy or lose them lol.

 

[CumminsPusher]

I just think I’m going back to this setup...View attachment 155696View attachment 155697

With these front and back...
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it’s quite a bit faster and maybe more secure.

Personally I like compression strapping. I guess it’s the dirt bike background but it holds. Also the rig doesn’t move around on bumps and corners, I hate the feel of that from drivers seat

 

[Adam490]

....That and if I have regular straps I’m gonna end up grabbing them and using them for god knows what other purpose and destroy or lose them lol.

This is me to a T. I get straps, cut them and label where they go, and then immediately turn around and use them for something else and destroy or lose them.