P1000 A Lower Reverse With Talon Parts!!!! - Honda Pioneer 1000

[snuffnwhisky]

Maybe the tires are a different size like the pioneer. The stock tires are a little less than half inch shorter in the front which we all know that tires vary greatly from the label on the sidewall.

I highly doubt that was the plan though. That’s probably the just ratio of the gears they sourced or happened to be the closest match.

Should be the closest match for the room they had in the diffs.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Should be the closest match for the room they had in the diffs.

Seems like it would be a little hard on the system on harder surfaces being that far apart with same size tires. I figure they have to come with different heights.

 

[snuffnwhisky]

Seems like it would be a little hard on the system on harder surfaces being that far apart with same size tires. I figure they have to come with different heights.

Its not that bad since it doesn't have 4wd lol...

 

[JTW]

Its not that bad since it doesn't have 4wd lol...

Hehehe!!

 

[HondaTech]

Perusing the parts fiche it appears 6th gear is different from the P1K as well.

 

[Zmorris83]

If someone can help me find the parts to do this I will gladly do it. Had warranty work done on my P1K5 and the sub-trans has been garbage since. I already found a spare sub trans so now I need all the reverse parts.

 

[Zmorris83]

Perusing the parts fiche it appears 6th gear is different from the P1K as well.

Can you help me get all the necessary parts? Just the part numbers will work.

 

[HondaTech]

Can you help me get all the necessary parts? Just the part numbers will work.

Whats weird is the transmission 1st/reverse gear ratio is listed as the same for the P1K and Talon. It's only the sub transmission that is listed as a different ratio. I've have to do some digging, not sure it could even work.

Update: I just did a quick scan of the parts fiche and there are 3 parts that go on either end of the shift forks to assist them in shifting into the selected gear. On Babbitt's website they dont show a price or quantity. If I use our dealer parts info, they show to be not available with no ETA or anything whatsoever. They all have a HL6 model code, which means they are Talon specific, for what reason I dont know. The final shaft in there is also HL6, so if seems the swap could run up the cost and thats eve if the parts can be gotten.

 

[Zmorris83]

Whats weird is the transmission 1st/reverse gear ratio is listed as the same for the P1K and Talon. It's only the sub transmission that is listed as a different ratio. I've have to do some digging, not sure it could even work.

The transmission doesn't even have reverse so I don't know why they would list it.

 

[HondaTech]

The transmission doesn't even have reverse so I don't know why they would list it.

The transmission uses 1st gear as the reverse gear, that's why the outer (1,3,5) clutch is applied when using reverse. Since all the shifting or reverse is done in the sub trans, some gear in the main trans has to be used to drive the output shaft.

 

[Zmorris83]

The transmission uses 1st gear as the reverse gear, that's why the outer (1,3,5) clutch is applied when using reverse. Since all the shifting or reverse is done in the sub trans, some gear in the main trans has to be used to drive the output shaft.

That's obvious. Forward only in the transmission therefore no reason to list a reverse in the trans.

Is there a parts diagram online that I can find the part numbers on? I'm trying to get this project completed by Monday next week so I need to order them ASAP.

 

[Zmorris83]

Whats weird is the transmission 1st/reverse gear ratio is listed as the same for the P1K and Talon. It's only the sub transmission that is listed as a different ratio. I've have to do some digging, not sure it could even work.

Update: I just did a quick scan of the parts fiche and there are 3 parts that go on either end of the shift forks to assist them in shifting into the selected gear. On Babbitt's website they dont show a price or quantity. If I use our dealer parts info, they show to be not available with no ETA or anything whatsoever. They all have a HL6 model code, which means they are Talon specific, for what reason I dont know. The final shaft in there is also HL6, so if seems the swap could run up the cost and thats eve if the parts can be gotten.

Just saw your updated info. Looks like I will have to go back with the Pioneer gears to get the machine fixed and use the original sub-trans to do the upgrade when parts are available. From what I've seen all the parts are cheap. Piecing the entire sub-trans together, including cases, from a diagram is about 1000$.

 

[snuffnwhisky]

Looked like these were the 2 gears needed from the Talon.

GEAR, REVERSE DRIVE (25T)
23691-HL6-A00
$67.51

GEAR, REVERSE IDLE (16T/22T)
23701-HL6-A00
$59.32

 

[Zmorris83]

Looked like these were the 2 gears needed from the Talon.

GEAR, REVERSE DRIVE (25T)
23691-HL6-A00
$67.51

GEAR, REVERSE IDLE (16T/22T)
23701-HL6-A00
$59.32

Where did you find them for that price?

 

[snuffnwhisky]

Where did you find them for that price?

2019 Honda Tallon 1000R (SXS1000S2R AC) FINAL DRIVE SHAFT | Babbitts Honda Partshouse

 

[Zmorris83]

Looked like these were the 2 gears needed from the Talon.

GEAR, REVERSE DRIVE (25T)
23691-HL6-A00
$67.51

GEAR, REVERSE IDLE (16T/22T)
23701-HL6-A00
$59.32

From what I'm seeing the idler has two gears on it. The part discription seems to match. There should be a third gear. Is that gear the same on both machines? I wouldn't think it could be.

 

[snuffnwhisky]

From what I'm seeing the idler has two gears on it. The part discription seems to match. There should be a third gear. Is that gear the same on both machines? I wouldn't think it could be.

Pretty sure the idler 16 tooth end drives the 48 tooth Final Shaft Gear which is the same in both.

 

[Zmorris83]

PM[/GALLERY]

Screenshot_20190626-172309

• Zmorris83
• Jun 26, 2019

Pretty sure the idler 16 tooth end drives the 48 tooth Final Shaft Gear which is the same in both.

I think that is correct. The third gear should be the one missing in this picture? I'm looking at all the parts diagrams I can find but still not finding it.

 

[HondaTech]

Looked like these were the 2 gears needed from the Talon.

GEAR, REVERSE DRIVE (25T)
23691-HL6-A00
$67.51

GEAR, REVERSE IDLE (16T/22T)
23701-HL6-A00
$59.32

For some reason the "helper" springs and collars are Talon specific as well as the final shaft that the gears ride on. I'm wondering if the difference is enough to cause and issue. I also see a needle bearing that has a Talon specific # too.

The springs and collars arent avaliable for whatever reason yet, not sure what's up with that.

 

[Zmorris83]

PM[/GALLERY]

Screenshot_20190626-172309

• Zmorris83
• Jun 26, 2019

I think that is correct. The third gear should be the one missing in this picture? I'm looking at all the parts diagrams I can find but still not finding it.

Is it a reverse CHAIN that's missing in this picture?