P500 Options for hauling the P500 in a short bed??

[Montecresto]

With the 7 and 1000 we used railroad tie at front of box. Nice to hear the 5 has tires that sit furthest back


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That would be a good idea for those that pull it in in case a strap ever breaks like I've experienced. But yeah, the P5's weight distribution is 60% rear of center and the tires stick past everything else. So backed in really is the preferred way to transport it.

 

[CumminsPusher]

That would be a good idea for those that pull it in in case a strap ever breaks like I've experienced. But yeah, the P5's weight distribution is 60% rear of center and the tires stick past everything else. So backed in really is the preferred way to transport it.

Looks like s*** backwards lol but I get it. That's good to know


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[Montecresto]

Looks like s*** backwards lol but I get it. That's good to know


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Got to bump aesthetics for the practical on this one CP.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Got to bump aesthetics for the practical on this one CP.

I didn't disagree makes sense. I did that one time with the 700 so we could use the winch for something. I was sure nervous going in. Takes a set the first time.


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[trigger]

DG's????

Tailgate supports?

 

[Montecresto]

I didn't disagree makes sense. I did that one time with the 700 so we could use the winch for something. I was sure nervous going in. Takes a set the first time.


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I've been use to it for some time. You either have to back in or back out.

 

[Montecresto]

Tailgate supports?

Oh. Lost them and hoping to find them before I have to break down and buy them again.

 

[AlR]

HERE ARE SOME NUMBERS:
I'm not a fan of driving the P500 backwards, onto my short-box GMC 2500 Duramax. Some posts on this thread suggest that when you load backwards, you put less weight on the tailgate, more over the axle of the truck etc. I wondered about that. I don't like transporting the P5 backwards; windshield and roof are more like air scoops etc. The P5 is built to drive forward, not backwards.

Tonight I took my rig to the commercial scales and started weighing things. Conventional wisdom has said that 60% of the weight of the P5 is on the rear. I wanted to check, so here goes [ 1 lb = 0.454 kg]:
- My P5 (no passengers): 560 kg (1,233 lbs): front axle 270 kg / rear axle 290 kg [48.2% / 51.8%]
- Truck with P5 loaded backwards: front axle 2,040 kg / rear axle 2,130 kg.
- Truck with P5 loaded frontwards: front axle 2,030 kg/ rear axle 2,140 kg.

So, if I load the P5 backwards, I move 20 kg (44 lbs) off the tailgate. For me, it's not worth it. I prefer driving the P5 frontwards onto the truck and backing it off. I like seeing the truck box as I load, and I can brake before I smack into the end of the box. I prefer transporting P5 front-ways; facing into the wind. Like I said, it was designed to drive forward.

The P5 is pretty well balanced front and back. I understand that your weights may vary. For me the 44 lbs isn't enough of a difference to convince me to transport it backwards on the truck.

FYI: My 2017 P500 has the Honda front and rear bumpers, stick stoppers, Honda roof, a Superwinch 3500S, LEDs and aluminum box on the rear rack with about 20 lbs of gear in it. It was full of gas.

Al

 

[Montecresto]

HERE ARE SOME NUMBERS:
OK boys. I'm not a fan of driving the P500 backwards, onto my short-box GMC 2500 Duramax. Some posts on this thread suggest that when you load backwards, you put less weight on the tailgate, more over the axle of the truck etc. I wondered about that. I don't like transporting the P5 backwards; windshield and roof are more like air scoops etc. The P5 is built to drive forward, not backwards.

Tonight I took my rig to the commercial scales and started weighing things. Conventional wisdom has said that 60% of the weight of the P5 is on the rear. I wanted to check, so here goes [ 1 lb = 0.454 kg]:
- My P5 (no passengers): 560 kg (1,233 lbs): front axle 270 kg / rear axle 290 kg [48.2% / 51.8%]
- Truck with P5 loaded backwards: front axle 2,040 kg / rear axle 2,130 kg.
- Truck with P5 loaded frontwards: front axle 2,030 kg/ rear axle 2,140 kg.

So, if I load the P5 backwards, I move 10 kg (22 lbs) off the tailgate. For me, it's not worth it. I prefer driving the P5 frontwards onto the truck and backing it off. I like seeing the truck box as I load, and I can brake before I smack into the end of the box. I prefer transporting P5 front-ways; facing into the wind. Like I said, it was designed to drive forward.

The P5 is pretty well balanced front and back. I understand that your weights may vary. For me the 22 lbs isn't enough of a difference to convince me to transport it backwards on the truck.

FYI: My 2017 P500 has the Honda front and rear bumpers, stick stoppers, Honda roof, a Superwinch 3500S, and an aluminum box on the rear rack with about 20 lbs of gear in it. It was full of gas.

Al

If you jack up a stock 1010 P5 dead center and put a 2x4 across the bottom of the rear tires with a household scales in the center of the 2x4 the P5 will tip to the rear with 120 lbs on the scale. How you modify your P5 from there is going to be different for everybody pretty much.

 

[AlR]

If you jack up a stock 1010 P5 dead center and put a 2x4 across the bottom of the rear tires with a household scales in the center of the 2x4 the P5 will tip to the rear with 120 lbs on the scale. How you modify your P5 from there is going to be different for everybody pretty much.

Ok. For mine... which is a pretty boring standard setup, the rear axle is putting 44 more pounds on the tailgate. And I think that's what we're concerned about.
Al

 

[rocmar]

HERE ARE SOME NUMBERS:
OK boys. I'm not a fan of driving the P500 backwards, onto my short-box GMC 2500 Duramax. Some posts on this thread suggest that when you load backwards, you put less weight on the tailgate, more over the axle of the truck etc. I wondered about that. I don't like transporting the P5 backwards; windshield and roof are more like air scoops etc. The P5 is built to drive forward, not backwards.

Tonight I took my rig to the commercial scales and started weighing things. Conventional wisdom has said that 60% of the weight of the P5 is on the rear. I wanted to check, so here goes [ 1 lb = 0.454 kg]:
- My P5 (no passengers): 560 kg (1,233 lbs): front axle 270 kg / rear axle 290 kg [48.2% / 51.8%]
- Truck with P5 loaded backwards: front axle 2,040 kg / rear axle 2,130 kg.
- Truck with P5 loaded frontwards: front axle 2,030 kg/ rear axle 2,140 kg.

So, if I load the P5 backwards, I move 10 kg (22 lbs) off the tailgate. For me, it's not worth it. I prefer driving the P5 frontwards onto the truck and backing it off. I like seeing the truck box as I load, and I can brake before I smack into the end of the box. I prefer transporting P5 front-ways; facing into the wind. Like I said, it was designed to drive forward.

The P5 is pretty well balanced front and back. I understand that your weights may vary. For me the 22 lbs isn't enough of a difference to convince me to transport it backwards on the truck.

FYI: My 2017 P500 has the Honda front and rear bumpers, stick stoppers, Honda roof, a Superwinch 3500S, and an aluminum box on the rear rack with about 20 lbs of gear in it. It was full of gas.

Al

Yep...AGREE...
Well said...

 

[Montecresto]

Ok. For mine... which is a pretty boring standard setup, the rear axle is putting 22 more pounds on the tailgate. And I think that's what we're concerned about.
Al

Well, that's what I'm concerned about.

 

[pFive]

HERE ARE SOME NUMBERS:
I'm not a fan of driving the P500 backwards, onto my short-box GMC 2500 Duramax. Some posts on this thread suggest that when you load backwards, you put less weight on the tailgate, more over the axle of the truck etc. I wondered about that. I don't like transporting the P5 backwards; windshield and roof are more like air scoops etc. The P5 is built to drive forward, not backwards.

Tonight I took my rig to the commercial scales and started weighing things. Conventional wisdom has said that 60% of the weight of the P5 is on the rear. I wanted to check, so here goes [ 1 lb = 0.454 kg]:
- My P5 (no passengers): 560 kg (1,233 lbs): front axle 270 kg / rear axle 290 kg [48.2% / 51.8%]
- Truck with P5 loaded backwards: front axle 2,040 kg / rear axle 2,130 kg.
- Truck with P5 loaded frontwards: front axle 2,030 kg/ rear axle 2,140 kg.

So, if I load the P5 backwards, I move 10 kg (22 lbs) off the tailgate. For me, it's not worth it. I prefer driving the P5 frontwards onto the truck and backing it off. I like seeing the truck box as I load, and I can brake before I smack into the end of the box. I prefer transporting P5 front-ways; facing into the wind. Like I said, it was designed to drive forward.

The P5 is pretty well balanced front and back. I understand that your weights may vary. For me the 22 lbs isn't enough of a difference to convince me to transport it backwards on the truck.

FYI: My 2017 P500 has the Honda front and rear bumpers, stick stoppers, Honda roof, a Superwinch 3500S, and an aluminum box on the rear rack with about 20 lbs of gear in it. It was full of gas.

Al

Thanks for sharing the hard data and facts!

 

[Montecresto]

View attachment 30569 Back it in. My tires hit back of bed. Tail pipe is 1 inch from glass so watch that!! I think more weight is on back of machine so less on tailgate.


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Is that on a 1500 or 2500?

 

[CumminsPusher]

Is the 500 all that hard on a tailgate? I'm just curious. We loaded the 700 continuously without a problem. The only times we had a problem is with the 1000 once when ramp broke and once with a ramp slipping off but it always held without those issues.
This was the 1000 before the smaller width box on a lesser truck.
I know I shared this awhile ago but there seems to be so much concern about tailgates


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[Montecresto]

Is the 500 all that hard on a tailgate? We loaded the 700 continuously without a problem. The only times we had a problem is with the 1000 once when ramp broke and once with a ramp slipping off but it always held without those issues.
This was the 1000 before the smaller width box


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I doubt it, particularly with tail gate supports. But for me it's the stabilizing factor of the weight ahead of the trucks rear axle, and perhaps most importantly, nothing but rubber extends beyond the P5's rear deck, so back in until the tires come to rest against the bed box, no worries, no need to have someone else watch that you're not putting your winch hook through the cabs rear glass, no need for a railroad tie or other at the bottom of the box etc.

 

[Montecresto]

I can see that the 700 is a whole other thing CP, looks like you've got plenty of machine that extends beyond your rear wheels. The P5's a piece of cake to back in though some may be intimidated by it.

 

[Montecresto]

Is the 500 all that hard on a tailgate? I'm just curious. We loaded the 700 continuously without a problem. The only times we had a problem is with the 1000 once when ramp broke and once with a ramp slipping off but it always held without those issues.
This was the 1000 before the smaller width box on a lesser truck.
I know I shared this awhile ago but there seems to be so much concern about tailgates


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Ramps slipping off would really suck!!

 

[CumminsPusher]

Ramps slipping off would really suck!!

Yes. But it wouldn't matter if it was a 500 or 700 it would still suck!


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[Montecresto]

Yes. But it wouldn't matter if it was a 500 or 700 it would still suck!


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s*** yes dude. Or a Rhino or Polaris too. The tailgate of my truck is crazy high off the ground, I have long arched ramps and would not want to fall off of them loading.