P1000 P1k and talon ecu swap

[ohanacreek]

My stock injectors are working fine.

With Talon Cam???

 

[Admin]

 

[GPR1500SC]

With Talon Cam???

African Twin cam the way I read your post it was for the AT cam

 

[ohanacreek]

African Twin cam the way I read your post it was for the AT cam

I see what you mean, edited my original post for clarity.

You’re right the AT cam works with Pioneer injectors.

 

[JTW]

What did I tell you? LOL to wait on a reflash maybe?

Yeah.. that’s the next step. I’ve ran into over heating issues this week in Moab with the talon ecu. I suspect it’s due to the higher rpms and maybe fuel mods. Just need to figure some things out before everyone goes and buys talon ECU’s

 

[Plumber32]

Yeah.. that’s the next step. I’ve ran into over heating issues this week in Moab with the talon ecu. I suspect it’s due to the higher rpms and maybe fuel mods. Just need to figure some things out before everyone goes and buys talon ECU’s

I'll be a good test this weekend in the high elevations. I will pack stock ecu, and laptop. I will buzz around for an hr then come back and let it make the changes.

 

[ohanacreek]

I keep leaning toward buying a Talon ECU already installed in a Talon.

 

[JTW]

I'll be a good test this weekend in the high elevations. I will pack stock ecu, and laptop. I will buzz around for an hr then come back and let it make the changes.

Yeah.. take the laptop, I almost did. But ended up just leaving it in the room. In hindsight that was a mistake

 

[DDDonkey]

Question here, and maybe it has been answered so sorry if it has. With installing the Talon ECU the main benefit we are getting is the reduced torque management? If someone can crack the pioneer ECU and adjust the torque management as well at the fuel tables would that not be the same thing? I am just thinking out loud here as a new ECU and PCV w/AT is pretty pricey, and if that is the case is anyone close to cracking the pioneer ECU/TCM?

 

[snuffnwhisky]

Question here, and maybe it has been answered so sorry if it has. With installing the Talon ECU the main benefit we are getting is the reduced torque management? If someone can crack the pioneer ECU and adjust the torque management as well at the fuel tables would that not be the same thing? I am just thinking out loud here as a new ECU and PCV w/AT is pretty pricey, and if that is the case is anyone close to cracking the pioneer ECU/TCM?

Torque management, faster shifting and more neck snapping shifts. It also moves the rpm up during auto shifting similar to running in sport mode. 1st to 2nd gear is about 5k rpm. Also in normal mode, WOT, it shifts around 8,400 rpm and 8,600 rpm in sport mode. Stock cam pioneer is slower 0-40 shifting that high vs 7500 rpm shifts.

Silber turbos can flash both ECU's but only for fuel and timing. Dynojet also has a fuel and timing flash tuner for the Talon. Jackson racing that is doing the talon turbo with hondas help is the only one I've heard of that might be able to mod the transmission tuning. Silber had no plans unless demand was to go up a lot for them to crack it.

 

[Plumber32]

I keep leaning toward buying a Talon ECU already installed in a Talon.

Right, if ya want to go faster buy a more powerful rig! But if it's got tits or tires a guy is going to screw with it!

 

[ohanacreek]

Right, if ya want to go faster buy a more powerful rig! But if it's got tits or tires a guy is going to screw with it!

...And it’s going to give you Problems.

 

[DDDonkey]

Torque management, faster shifting and more neck snapping shifts. It also moves the rpm up during auto shifting similar to running in sport mode. 1st to 2nd gear is about 5k rpm. Also in normal mode, WOT, it shifts around 8,400 rpm and 8,600 rpm in sport mode. Stock cam pioneer is slower 0-40 shifting that high vs 7500 rpm shifts.

Silber turbos can flash both ECU's but only for fuel and timing. Dynojet also has a fuel and timing flash tuner for the Talon. Jackson racing that is doing the talon turbo with hondas help is the only one I've heard of that might be able to mod the transmission tuning. Silber had no plans unless demand was to go up a lot for them to crack it.

Thanks for the info, looks like it does way more than I thought.

 

[BigOL3]

Right, if ya want to go faster buy a more powerful rig! But if it's got tits or tires a guy is going to screw with it!

And ...... it is going to give you problems ..... lol.

 

[ALBANATE]

What do you use the Power commander for? Adding fuel or subtracting fuel? I have 5 or 6 spare Talon ECU's here at the shop and if someone can share a power commander file with me I can likely make the changes in the Talon ECU and send it out to test in a Pioneer. Just a thought...

Nate
Alba Racing

 

[snuffnwhisky]

What do you use the Power commander for? Adding fuel or subtracting fuel? I have 5 or 6 spare Talon ECU's here at the shop and if someone can share a power commander file with me I can likely make the changes in the Talon ECU and send it out to test in a Pioneer. Just a thought...

Nate
Alba Racing

The Talon has bigger injectors and 50% more power (cam is a lot bigger) than the pioneer. A stockish pioneer needs close to 30% more fuel at idle with the Talon ecu and I believe it was around 20% less at 8k rpm. @joeymt33 has a PCV tune, stock cam & injectors with a HMF pipe. I've got one but with the Africa cam and Talon Injectors and HMF.

 

[ALBANATE]

The Talon has bigger injectors and 50% more power (cam is a lot bigger) than the pioneer. A stockish pioneer needs close to 30% more fuel at idle with the Talon ecu and I believe it was around 20% less at 8k rpm. @joeymt33 has a PCV tune, stock cam & injectors with a HMF pipe. I've got one but with the Africa cam and Talon Injectors and HMF.

Ya I am sure with a little data I can build a map for it. I have not seen the cam out of a P1K, but I have compared the AT and Talon and the AT is definitely smaller.

Nate
Alba Racing

 

[snuffnwhisky]

Ya I am sure with a little data I can build a map for it. I have not seen the cam out of a P1K, but I have compared the AT and Talon and the AT is definitely smaller.

Nate
Alba Racing

Rocker Ratio not added to the exhaust below. Measured about 1.5.

Pioneer 72 hp
Lift .293 Intake, .194 exhaust
Duration @.050 208 intake, 206 exhaust

Africa Twin 94 hp
Lift .368 Intake, .262 exhaust
Duration @.050 222 intake, 245 exhaust

Talon 104 hp
Lift .393 Intake, .285 exhaust
Duration @.050 232 intake, 258 exhaust

The Africa cam kills bottom end with the stock ECU. I had to run a gear reduction to get mine to climb in 4 lock with the Africa cam. The Talon ECU has a lot less torque management which helped mine a lot.

 

[GPR1500SC]

What do you use the Power commander for? Adding fuel or subtracting fuel? I have 5 or 6 spare Talon ECU's here at the shop and if someone can share a power commander file with me I can likely make the changes in the Talon ECU and send it out to test in a Pioneer. Just a thought...

Nate
Alba Racing

Snuffnwiskey is the performance authority on here.
That being said I have the African Twin cam and dual spark plugs, no IGR and willing to try anything once.

 

[joeymt33]

I will eventually get my pioneer ECU reflashed so I don’t have to worry about carrying the spare ECU.

BUT, I’ve had the PCV with auto tune since they come out years ago and it’s never had an issue. Also, I’ve put a lot of miles on the Talon ECU in the pioneer and I don’t see any negative other than the 4wd display. It’s even more important for guys with the IGR because it fixes the slow shifting. The added low end power is awesome for crawling below 2500 rpm. The clutch also seems to fully lock up quicker right off idle.

Another benefit is the memory of manual mode, I found that better than what I thought.

The increased rpm for shifting is nice when on the trails but when wanting to cruise easy I’ll grab the upshift paddle.

Long story short, I won’t go back to the pioneer ECU until it’s reflashed. I may add the AT cam one day because snuffs seems to have MUCH better low end after swapping the ECU and he blows me away in acceleration.

 

[70Bones]

And ...... it is going to give you problems ..... lol.

And... take your money!