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P1000 P1k and talon ecu swap

Discussion in 'Pioneer 1000 Accessories and Modifications' started by Louisiana_93, Sep 1, 2019.

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    Any updates here? I just ordered a stock ecu from partzilla for $200. Sending it to Silber as soon as it gets here
     
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    I bought a new one from bike bandit and sent it to silber and it is supposed to be back here monday and I will let yall know how it does
     
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    Any of you that have sent yours to Siber.. would you happen to also have a power commander?
     
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    i dont the way i understood this does the same thing
     
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    Yes.. just curious if anyone had already had it to get the map off it
     
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    "The intake close timing is 1 degree different. That's a negligible difference especially when both cams will act extremely similar at low RPM. That is the area that everyone is having difficulty with."

    Again, "both cams will act extremely similar at low RPM. That is the area that everyone is having difficulty with."

    Again, "at low RPM. That is the area that everyone is having difficulty with."

    You are wrong. You don't understand what I'm talking about. We're having 2 different conversations...1 degree intake close timing is virtually identical for the application in question.
     
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    If you're still looking for a tune I can help you out. I can do speed limit, rev limit, torque management, shift scheduling, fuel and timing at this point. I'll be able to do more very soon, but for simplicity I'm only doing that at the moment.
     
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    Awesome!
    Are you removing the torque limiters?
    And does this pick up more low end then the Talon ECU?
     
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    Removing the torque limiters entirely would probably be a lot easier than adjusting them. I don't think it would be a good idea since I assume the clutch apply algorithm takes those into account. I need another 6K in software to know for sure.

    Anyone want to volunteer to dig through hexidecimal with me?
     
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    I would love to, buuuut I would have no clue what I am doing I saw a Cat file in the hex format and it looks like Greek to me.):

    If you want to mess with my Pioneer ECU and send it back I will send you my Talon ECU if you want to play with it?

    I put the Talon's 46 mm throttle body and injectors on and I really liked how it broaden my low end power.
     
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    what all did you have to do to change to the 46mm TB and injectors
     
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    Depends on what you want. 200 if it's the generic crap everyone else is putting out. 300 for full tune. I'm not interested in tuning them commercially but I'll be happy to help the forum members out. If we can keep it to popular setups that would help save me time that I don't have. The only reason I even developed tuning for the Pioneer and Talon is because I wanted to tune trans/clutch in both of my own machines.
     
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    You lost me? What do you mean by generic and full tune?
     
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    #75 aauman88, Oct 8, 2019
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    The throttle body is a plug and play mod
    But you need to bore out stock throttle body to air tube adapter or buy a Talon adapter, or a Honda Talon Aluminium Throttle Body Adapter | eBay

    Let me do a recap on my mod list
    A/T cam and air tube adapter
    Cat removed from stock muffler
    3/4" hole drilled in muffler
    Dual spark plugs
    Power Commander
    Talon ECU

    When you install a African twin cam you loose low end torque and gain top end horsepower,you add Talon's ECU it gives back low end torque but leaves a soft spot in the middle. Installing the 46mm throttle body and injectors eliminated the soft spot in the middle.

    I doubt a stock Pioneer would see much benefit without supporting mods:
    Cam and Zmorris reflash.
     
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    I got my reflashed eco back from Silber turbo and put it on yesterday. I'm not seeing a big difference so I called Justin at silber turbos and he asked me if I was the one that sent the new computer to him, he said the computer will go through a break-in period because it is new so it should get better. I can see that the rev limiter has changed.
     
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