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Talon R turning radius improvement?

Discussion in 'General Talon 1000 Discussion' started by Sandfreak, Sep 5, 2019.

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    Did anyone come up with a way yet to improve the turning radius of the R?
     
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    Not that I have seen. But I was wondering, since the X and R use the same chassis, but the R a arms are sweep forward for part of its longer wheel base. This puts the CV joints on to much of a bind to turn the wheels as sharp as the X. Could we make X geometry a arms (- sweep) that are R length and that would allow the front wheels to turn sharper as the CV would not be on as a sharp of an angle with the axle straighter? Plus it would shorten the wheel base a little which would help with a tighter turning radius also. I do not have either machine to look at this.
     
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    Oddly enough Honda shows the four seater which is even longer than the r yet they have the Same turning radius I have a talen R model and I think the radius is just a little bit pathetic
     
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    I'm also waiting for someone and/or the aftermarket to address this issue for the R.

    I had read on a Facebook Talon group (so take it with a grain of salt) that Hess Motorsports had something in the works for this issue, but I haven't seen anything come to market as of yet.
     
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    I'm new here. Looks likes lots of good discussion. I am looking at getting a Talon X and have been unimpressed by the turning radius. The specs say something around 17 feet. That seems HUGE. I'm not sure what the turning radius is on the SXS that I currently own a quick search says that it is less than 8 feet. That's a big difference. Is it really 17 feet?
     
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    The turning radius of a 400EX is 10 1/2 feet if memory serves. What SxS is under 8 feet?
     
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    I have a Commander. 8 feet seems low, that's why I did a disclaimer in my comment about a "quick search". I did notice it when I test drove the Talon. Thats why I'm asking.
     
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    The little P500 is at 12.8 feet. I've never been around a Commander. It could turn that tight. I'm like you and would be surprised though.
     
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    As I was typing this earlier I figured I'd reach out and see if I could get any good info directly from the source. They were very quick to respond and here's what they had to say. It's not a definitive "yes we're going to address the R's turning radius", but it sounds like it sure is being considered in addition to other accessories:

    Hess Motorsports Response.png
     
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    CumminsPusher The woods made me do it,yet again!
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    IDK that the solid rear end makes that huge of difference. My 14 Maverick XRS DPS has a solid rear end and though I can not find a turning radius spec for the Mav, it does not take a parking lot to turn around. Now the 14 Maverick wheelbase is only 84.4" and that helps vs X at 87.6" and R at 92.7" of the Talon. I still think the answer is a negative swept front a arm on the R.
     
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    CumminsPusher The woods made me do it,yet again!
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    I come up with my idea for negative swept front a arms for the R from reading your post in those threads. I think a -2 a arm on the R and the X steering gear, should make the R turn tighter and not hurt the CV joint. This would also straighten tie rod angle and also shorten the wheel base from 92.7" to 90.7" which would also help steering. I do not think the little bit of shorter wheelbase would hurt handling in the woods.

    CP I figured there would be some difference between locked and open but not alot. With the gear ratios not much difference between the P1K and Talon, possibly put a P1K rear pumpkin in the talon?
     
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    The pedal on the right works wonders for improving the turning radius.
     
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    That, unfortunately, isn't always a viable option in tight wooded trails here in the Midwest and East Coast. Trees are very unforgiving when challenged.
     
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