What kind of HP can the Talon be built to that's reliable?

[PaulF]

I am not wanting to discourage anyone from buying a talon this is my second one. I'm just wanting to help people understand that when they go to a turbo they will need to 1st change the pistons to forged units 2nd change the air filter to the Donaldson 3rd weld the lower turbo mount or it will break a header 4th keep an eye on the plugs. I am a honda guy and have been since the 70S

I'm also going to ARP head studs for more clamping force. Before you call arp & ask for the talon stud kit to be told they don't have a kit for the talon just call Glen Hess I got the last set he had but he might have more on order!

Just do the things mentioned and it will be good! Also make sure it has the latest firmware

Stock pistons are 10:1 but CP only offers 9.5:1, 10.5:1 or 11.5:1 and Wiseco only offers 9.0:1 and 10.5:1. Is there anything that needs to be compensated for due to the compression ratio difference?

A different compression ratio might require some tuning changes. If you go down in CR, you might be able to increase boost and/or timing and/or need to decrease fuel. If you go up in CR, you will most likely need to decrease boost and/or timing and/or need to increase fuel.

In either case, I think the Jackson tune will be a little "off".

 

[Killer223]

whats the thought on these.

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dish is 9:1
dome is 11:1
i used these in a build years ago. any one here care to share thoughts on them?

 

[HondaTech]

I know what you mean nobody is talking about the piston issue or broken header issue thats why I'm posting what I am this stuff is a fact no BS.

We've had both of these issues with our race car. The pistons we found after the season ended. Luckily the skirt got spit into the oil tank.

 

[MDFMac]

unless you can tune your unit. stick with stock compression ratio i have 9to1 in mine and it is a bit off. pretty sure its timing that is the prob. i added fuel and took away fuel to see all the ranges but cant get the pop when shifting to go away with fuel and i cant adjust timing yet...

 

[HondaTech]

Could one scope the bottom of the pistons from the oil drain bolts?

You can pull the oil pan and see the pistons from the bottom side.

You can actually do rod and pistons in frame, with just the head and oil pan removed.

 

[GBell]

Stock pistons are 10:1 but CP only offers 9.5:1, 10.5:1 or 11.5:1 and Wiseco only offers 9.0:1 and 10.5:1. Is there anything that needs to be compensated for due to the compression ratio difference?

A different compression ratio might require some tuning changes. If you go down in CR, you might be able to increase boost and/or timing and/or need to decrease fuel. If you go up in CR, you will most likely need to decrease boost and/or timing and/or need to increase fuel.

In either case, I think the Jackson tune will be a little "off".

Go with the 10.5 compression Pistons! Cp won't recommend it because its not there turbo ring location I understand that the 9.5 piston has the ring package moved down. My thoughts are this a forged piston is way stronger then a .060 thick cast piston skirt all day ling! The CP pistons I bought was thicker by .020 in the skirt area! If your patient you can order the pistons with coated skirts which I recommend and you can get a ceramic coating done on the top of the piston I recommend that as well. I'm going to try the off the shelf pistons I will let you know How it goes.

 

[Killer223]

Not sure if keep the JR tuning with the 10.5:1 the tunes are already lean. That’s would only make it worse. Where the 9.5:1 would be marginally safer…

 

[Smitty335]

Not sure if keep the JR tuning with the 10.5:1 the tunes are already lean. That’s would only make it worse. Where the 9.5:1 would be marginally safer…

I think you guys are nuts, let start from square 1, can your stock suspension take what the stock HP puts out? Probably not, you need better suspension that far exceeds those limitations if your going to do HP upgrades. To each they're own! Been there done that, NOT! I was kicking A$$ with suspension over HP years ago!

 

[GBell]

I think you guys are nuts, let start from square 1, can your stock suspension take what the stock HP puts out? Probably not, you need better suspension that far exceeds those limitations if your going to do HP upgrades. To each they're own! Been there done that, NOT! I was kicking A$$ with suspension over HP years ago!

Have you spent anytime in the dunes?

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

I think you guys are nuts, let start from square 1, can your stock suspension take what the stock HP puts out? Probably not, you need better suspension that far exceeds those limitations if your going to do HP upgrades. To each they're own! Been there done that, NOT! I was kicking A$$ with suspension over HP years ago!

I'm doing that right now at the short course races. My suspension/car is 100% dialed in but my motor is bone stock. I have no problem running up front with the big motor guys in my class.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

Have you spent anytime in the dunes?

Did you think buying a non turbo 4 seat Talon X to play in the dunes was a wise decision? If I was buying a SxS to play in dunes I'd be driving a turbo Can-Am, not trying to turn a Talon into one...

 

[GBell]

Did you think buying a non turbo 4 seat Talon X to play in the dunes was a wise decision? If I was buying a SxS to play in dunes I'd be driving a turbo Can-Am, not trying to turn a Talon into one...

Well opinions are what they are. You like what you like and I like what I like either way I sure as hell wasn't looking for advise from you as how to spend my money!!

 

[GBell]

Well opinions are what they are. You like what you like and I like what I like either way I sure as hell wasn't looking for advise from you as how to spend my money!!

 

[HondaTech]

I think you guys are nuts, let start from square 1, can your stock suspension take what the stock HP puts out? Probably not, you need better suspension that far exceeds those limitations if your going to do HP upgrades. To each they're own! Been there done that, NOT! I was kicking A$$ with suspension over HP years ago!

The Talon suspension works great in fast paced stuff. Its only bad for slow trail rides and jumping.

 

[Smitty335]

The Talon suspension works great in fast paced stuff. Its only bad for slow trail rides and jumping.

Then what's all the talk about scraping the original frame design and coming out with a new one?

 

[GBell]

Did you think buying a non turbo 4 seat Talon X to play in the dunes was a wise decision? If I was buying a SxS to play in dunes I'd be driving a turbo Can-Am, not trying to turn a Talon into one...

I find it Kind of strange that a well known supporting member of the this honda SXS club is telling me I waisted my money on a live valve 4 seater X followed up with i should have bought a canam 4 seater I think your in the wrong group partner. And any time you want to bring down your NA powered suspension masterpiece 2 seater and try to hang with my big 4 seat canam wannabe I would be more then happy to hand your ass to you all day long!!

 

[HondaTech]

Then what's all the talk about scraping the original frame design and coming out with a new one?

Its Honda, they do dumb s*** all the time.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

I find it Kind of strange that a well known supporting member of the this honda SXS club is telling me I waisted my money on a live valve 4 seater X followed up with i should have bought a canam 4 seater I think your in the wrong group partner. And any time you want to bring down your NA powered suspension masterpiece 2 seater and try to hang with my big 4 seat canam wannabe I would be more then happy to hand your ass to you all day long!!

Same.... Bring the 4 seat turbo wonder to Texplex and I'll hand you yours with my stock motor.

See how that works? 🤣

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

Its Honda, they do dumb s*** all the time.

Does the new frame thing have any merit or is it just internet chatter?

 

[GBell]

Same.... Bring the 4 seat turbo wonder to Texplex and I'll hand you yours with my stock motor.

See how that works? 🤣

Your just a typical dumb ass who spouts off crap just to tell people how good you think you are! Your looking @ the picture of me and my family jumping a 4 seater in the dunes and thinking I know nothing about racing a 2 seater on a MX track. You never know who your talking to on the other end BIG GUY!