What kind of HP can the Talon be built to that's reliable?

[KenThompson]

Definitely have to get rid of the cast pistons and drop the comp to 9:1 or 9.5:1 for them to be safe. Then throw more boost at them

 

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[KenThompson]

So.... back to the question.

What kind of HP can the Talon be built to that's reliable?​

165hp at best?
180hp
200hp
more?

What I'm hearing is even with a turbo'd 165hp there are problems?

What problems?

 

[HPnMORE4J]

What problems?

Any problems, just wanted to know capabilities since I'm considering one in the future.

As an example the stock long block ACE 900 can handle about 200-250 rwhp without any internal changes known or issues but clutch work is needed.

I was wanting to know what people experienced with the Talon 999 Unicam or maybe it hasn't been truly tried and tested other than racing applications. From what I'm understanding, one thing out of the gate is the piston skirts are weak.

 

[KenThompson]

Yes, when you put a turbo on anything, you will need to put in forged pistons, before or after the cast ones break Cast pistons will not hold up to a turbo charger. Not in any machine for very long. I doubt the ace long block will hold up to 200 hp without lower compression forged pistons.

 

[HondaTech]

Who ever said you could change pistons in 2 hours is full of s***!

Honest it wouldn't take much longer. They can be done in frame.

 

[HPnMORE4J]

Yes, when you put a turbo on anything, you will need to put in forged pistons, before or after the cast ones break Cast pistons will not hold up to a turbo charger. Not in any machine for very long. I doubt the ace long block will hold up to 200 hp without lower compression forged pistons.

The ROTAX ACE 900 now can come factory @ 195hp, I run 197-200hp, tuned, exhaust, catch can and clutch upgrade in the X3. There are people in our group that are running 220hp-250hp with tune/injector/turbo upgrades bone stock block and very reliable. Then we have those pushing 280hp-300hp running bigger turbo, manifold, upgraded head studs. Getting higher, yes is where aftermarket internals are a must.

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[KenThompson]

Sorry I didn’t know. I know the can ams are fast, but I would sure hate to flip one. The roll cages collapse! Plus you have to reinforce everything. My turbo’d Honda may be a little bit heavier, but at least I prolly won’t die if I roll it.

 

[GBell]

Any problems, just wanted to know capabilities since I'm considering one in the future.

As an example the stock long block ACE 900 can handle about 200-250 rwhp without any internal changes known or issues but clutch work is needed.

I was wanting to know what people experienced with the Talon 999 Unicam or maybe it hasn't been truly tried and tested other than racing applications. From what I'm understanding, one thing out of the gate is the piston skirts are weak.

I will say there's lots of room for improvement. This motor is a great platform for what's to come!!

 

[HPnMORE4J]

Sorry I didn’t know. I know the can ams are fast, but I would sure hate to flip one. The roll cages collapse! Plus you have to reinforce everything. My turbo’d Honda may be a little bit heavier, but at least I prolly won’t die if I roll it.

Cages are easily beefed up, intrusion bars etc. plus most use a fixed 4-5point harness. Double shear in some areas.
We have been debating a Talon because we like Honda so much, but a few years ago there were no Honda's that could compare.
Now with the Talon on the market I was wondering what was going on with aftermarket HP and how it's handling it.

I'm not a popo fan....we carry fire extinguishers just in case we see one on fire. 🤠 🔥

 

[HPnMORE4J]

I will say there's lots of room for improvement. This motor is a great platform for what's to come!!

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Believe me I'd like to see them take the lead!

 

[GBell]

Believe me I'd like to see them take the lead!

Lets see how Chad from Dr. Powersports finishes this weekend in Black Rock Arkansas! I belive his Talon is going to make a statement this weekend.

 

[KenThompson]

Theres a couple of people out there getting more out of the talon’s with turbos. I couldn’t wait, so I got the way over priced Jackson kit. I also swapped out the cast pistons for 9:1 forged Wiseco pistons. I’ve been in contact with PPEI about a tune for the PV3 tuner that will get more than 8 pounds of boost. He is testing a talon with the Jackson turbo and slip on muff now. Once he gets it perfected, I’m in! I have also eliminated the Jackson air filter that sucks dust. I replaced it with a Donaldson system That uses $25 filters. I think the state of California has Jackson by the balls because he won’t build a tune that uses an aftermarket pipe, and won’t put more than 8 pounds of boost to it. I understand the 8 pounds of boost with cast pistons, but for those that upgrade the pistons, give us more!

 

[HondaTech]

Lets see how Chad from Dr. Powersports finishes this weekend in Black Rock Arkansas! I belive his Talon is going to make a statement this weekend.

Ive heard this much as well.
Hes doing some interesting stuff.

 

[HPnMORE4J]

Lets see how Chad from Dr. Powersports finishes this weekend in Black Rock Arkansas! I belive his Talon is going to make a statement this weekend.

What is the event called?

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

I will say there's lots of room for improvement. This motor is a great platform for what's to come!!

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So..... What do you have going on there? 🤔😎

Also, are you the same Bell that made that header I saw in one of the videos DR Powersports posted? 🤔

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

Here is the build plan for my N/A class motor over the winter...

-MCB Performance 12-1 forged pistons
-Kibble White +1mm valves
-Kibble White valves spring kit
-FTZ Performance ported head
-Daniel Crower camshaft? (still undecided)
-Hess Motorsports head studs
-Hess Motorsports intake
-Injector Dynamics injectors and fuel rail
-VP Race Fuel
-Custom tuning by PPEI

 

[GBell]

So..... What do you have going on there? 🤔😎

Also, are you the same Bell that made that header I saw in one of the videos DR Powersports posted? 🤔

Yes sir I build the headers.

 

[GBell]

So..... What do you have going on there? 🤔😎

Also, are you the same Bell that made that header I saw in one of the videos DR Powersports posted? 🤔

There's going to be a variety of things going on with this engine.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

There's going to be a variety of things going on with this engine.

Would you happen to know if that DC cam is any good and if there are better alternatives to that one for an N/A race engine built with the above parts? You can PM me if you want to keep it private.

 

[SLOWPOKE693]

Yes sir I build the headers.

Sick! That header looked like a work of art in that video.