I have decided to get the 4 seat R but not until 2024 model. I will sell one of my Talons, not sure which one. I try to keep the miles off my 2020 Talon so I only have a bit over 8,000 miles on it. The longer wheelbase should ride better and since Honda has said they softened up the suspension I may be satisfied with the stock suspension. My buddy is getting the 2 seat live valve R as soon as one is available so I will know if the suspension is improved enough. About the only adjustment may be the cross over rings. I may move the rings up to get full travel out of the tender springs but the stock setting may be ok. Hopefully the 2024 model may include the base non live valve model with the Showa shocks. All of my friends and coworkers at Honda have retired or died so I don't get any inside info now. My buddy and I didn't get prostate cancer until we got into our 80's. We are both cancer free now. Its important to catch it early when its an easy fix. We both have been lucky to be able to do what we want. Its important to be active so I do lots of trail work, yard work, and all my vehicle maintenance. We have found out the hard way if you do stupid lifting your going to have a sore back for a few days. Back pain really gets your attention. I just rotated the tires on my truck. Fortunately I know how to do it without straining my back. Its easy to get Real Happy when you can still run and skip rope.