P1000 Clutches burnt up

[Smitty335]

I couldn't really hear that, but I did think that he might have had it in sport mode. Not sure.

I was holding my phone with one hand and driving with the other, wouldn't dream of high/sport w/one hand HA

 

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[Smitty335]

Stirring the pot... lol

I'll see, don't know if they still have the metal shavings off the oil relief valves?

 

[CumminsPusher]

I was holding my phone with one hand and driving with the other, wouldn't dream of high/sport w/one hand HA

Ok that's funny as hell and point taken

 

[Smitty335]

Thanks, you can hear the solid click of the clutch.
I agree, a soft clamp is what will burn it up. It needs to be hard and solid.

I was hold my phone as close as possible to the shroud under the front seat that maybe why it sounds like it over reving

 

[Smitty335]

I was hold my phone as close as possible to the shroud under the front seat that maybe why it sounds like it over reving

When you buy an auto they have to tell you about the Lemon law, does it only apply to autos. After 3 failures on the same issue they replace or refund.

 

[Deanb]

I cannot help but be nervous because the more this subject is discussed the more people are coming forward saying their clutches shutter doing this or that and frankly I will not pay $20,000 bucks for this until i know more about it. We would never settle for a pickup that shuttered while crawling along in the woods or in inching along in rush hour traffic.

I have a 1000-5 deluxe and Honda replaced a clutch under warranty . I have been around atv's my whole life and I truly believe there is a design problem. . My dealer admits the clutch is too small for the weight of the machine . I truly love the machine and will wait for someone to come up with a repair . It doesn't look like Honda has a fix yet

 

[Smitty335]

I have a 1000-5 deluxe and Honda replaced a clutch under warranty . I have been around atv's my whole life and I truly believe there is a design problem. . My dealer admits the clutch is too small for the weight of the machine . I truly love the machine and will wait for someone to come up with a repair . It doesn't look like Honda has a fix yet

I think they do, did they chamfer the oil valves?

 

[jak9922]

I have a 1000-5 deluxe and Honda replaced a clutch under warranty . I have been around atv's my whole life and I truly believe there is a design problem. . My dealer admits the clutch is too small for the weight of the machine . I truly love the machine and will wait for someone to come up with a repair . It doesn't look like Honda has a fix yet

i wonder if stiffer springs will help

 

[Smitty335]

i wonder if stiffer springs will help

Don't think they work like that, think it's oil pressure.

 

[Smitty335]

Yea, I came on as a real pissed off P1 owner and rightfully so, clutch failure within 100 hours. And after clutch replacements and oil valve chamfering, totally different machine now. (OIL VALVE CHAMFERING). This is important!!!!!!!!!!!! The Honda dealer I bought my machine from is a big dealer, may have a inside on repaires. I hope! I have a great machine now! Sorry for the pissed of start.

 

[joeymt33]

I have a 1000-5 deluxe and Honda replaced a clutch under warranty . I have been around atv's my whole life and I truly believe there is a design problem. . My dealer admits the clutch is too small for the weight of the machine . I truly love the machine and will wait for someone to come up with a repair . It doesn't look like Honda has a fix yet

If it's a design problem, then how come I can run 30 inch tires in drive through some of the nastiest terrain and not have any problems with over 1500 miles? I think it may be an assembly issue or a part failure on some specific parts, but not a design issue. The only design issue that I have seen would be the choice of gearing. They could've been a little bit lower.

Not to mention I ride with a group that has the same vehicle and big tires as well and we beat the snot of these rigs and don't have a problem. If I get in some thick peanut butter mud and have it in 4-lock, I can stab the throttle and the motor will die if the tires can't spin. So, the clutches are strong enough to hold the engine back!

 

[Boomboom907]

If it's a design problem, then how come I can run 30 inch tires in drive through some of the nastiest terrain and not have any problems with over 1500 miles? I think it may be an assembly issue or a part failure on some specific parts, but not a design issue. The only design issue that I have seen would be the choice of gearing. They could've been a little bit lower.

Not to mention I ride with a group that has the same vehicle and big tires as well and we beat the snot of these rigs and don't have a problem. If I get in some thick peanut butter mud and have it in 4-lock, I can stab the throttle and the motor will die if the tires can't spin. So, the clutches are strong enough to hold the engine back!

That's how mine was(is)? too. My engine would basically bog and couldn't spin tires and Eventually killed itself. Clutches were strong.

Then I brought it to the dealer and they said the clutches were burnt to crap. Made it sound like the rig had been bad for a while. Kind of weird.

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[joeymt33]

That's how mine was(is)? too. My engine would basically bog and couldn't spin tires and Eventually killed itself. Clutches were strong.

Then I brought it to the dealer and they said the clutches were burnt to crap. Made it sound like the rig had been bad for a while. Kind of weird.

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Why was it at the dealer, was there a problem with the clutches? Did they go from being very strong to eventually failing?

 

[Boomboom907]

Why was it at the dealer, was there a problem with the clutches? Did they go from being very strong to eventually failing?

In literally one mud hole. We were out playing, got in a skeg and it killed my machine. I fell in. Deep. I've posted pics of it. It was a nasty hole.

Anyways we pulled me out backwards, he has a grizzly, and I'll admit I was mashing pretty hard In reverse to get out, but the tires were moving.

Anyways the following 2 weeks it fell apart.

Dealer said the basket (I have no idea) was burnt or something. Just implied I burnt them to crap. I never checked my oil. I guess it's possible it was low from factory or something?

Are you familiar with how the oil gets to the clutches? Is there a pump or is it held by gravity?



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[Boomboom907]

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense in my experience. Mine will rev the motor if tires get stuck and takes extra long to shift, that's what takes out the clutches at least on this one. Now my previous one would lock the motor up if you got stuck. 1600 on that it was still solid.
Did the dealer show you the clutches by any chance? What did you feel previous to going in?


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No. I should have asked for them. It was terrible. High revs in shifting. Like 3k or more. Terrible.

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[CumminsPusher]

No. I should have asked for them. It was terrible. High revs in shifting. Like 3k or more. Terrible.

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Ok I remember you talking about the bog. That makes sense. I thought you were saying it was good when you brought it in lol.
It's shared oil with three pumps two are for the transmission. It's possible it came low there have been a couple cases and if it's low it could run low pressures but personally I think it would have to be pretty low


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[Boomboom907]

Ok I remember you talking about the bog. That makes sense. I thought you were saying it was good when you brought it in lol.


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No, sorry. The clutch was very strong until the bog. I didn't feel like I was hurting it. The week following i noticed it shifted bad.

It was in the shop a few weeks after. They had it for over a month. To change the clutch

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[joeymt33]

No. I should have asked for them. It was terrible. High revs in shifting. Like 3k or more. Terrible.

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That's definitely the bad signs. I remember reading that now.

Maybe there was an electrical issue with the water that caused a low-voltage problem with one of the hundreds of sensors on this thing?

I'm very sure that I'll burn the clutches up on mine one of these days. I know that a clutch is a wear item and I know that I push my vehicle pretty hard so it's bound to happen sooner or later. If I can go 2000 miles or more I won't be too concerned based on the abuse and how tall the gearing is. I'm sure that the second pioneer we have that will live a lot easier life will probably go 10,000 miles or a lot more before it ever needs clutches. At least that's what I expect.

 

[Boomboom907]

That's definitely the bad signs. I remember reading that now.

Maybe there was an electrical issue with the water that caused a low-voltage problem with one of the hundreds of sensors on this thing?

I'm very sure that I'll burn the clutches up on mine one of these days. I know that a clutch is a wear item and I know that I push my vehicle pretty hard so it's bound to happen sooner or later. If I can go 2000 miles or more I won't be too concerned based on the abuse and how tall the gearing is. I'm sure that the second pioneer we have that will live a lot easier life will probably go 10,000 miles or a lot more before it ever needs clutches. At least that's what I expect.

I'm not sure. Do you know how the oil gets to the clutches?

Hope your machine makes it to 10

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[joeymt33]

I'm not even going to pretend I know how the DCT works.

I'm pretty sure on my red pioneer, it doesn't have a chance of making it to 10,000 miles on the original clutches.

It may have something to do with this.....