P500 Help With Diagnosis

[NTCPrezJB]

I'm being told a steering issue would result in a toe issue, but not camber.

Applicable here, or not?

That should be a correct statement

 

[futzin]

Do I need to remove the steering box, or should I start by removing the inner tie rods, and inspecting?

 

[The Green Goat]

Bent shock?

 

[futzin]

Bent shock?

Don't think so, I've since removed the Elkas and put them on Blouper; all good.

 

[906UP]

I may have missed it if it was covered earlier..... have you checked the knuckle to see if it's bent, specifically where the tie rod attaches

 

[futzin]

I may have missed it if it was covered earlier..... have you checked the knuckle to see if it's bent, specifically where the tie rod attaches

I haven't, it seems like such a beefy component. But I will, thanks.

 

[futzin]

Left inner steering arm bent at the ball (se pic)

View attachment 75373

This member had a hard hit at speed, damaging several components of his steering rack. He replaced.

My situation was different: pinched and stressed at full steering lock with force applied to steering wheel. Is this a pic of the inner tie rod? Could this be my issue?

 

[lee]

Go here:

Multi - Field Stripping a Tie Rod

Does your tie rod look like this? Thought you would customize your Pioneers looks on an old stump? In case you where wondering, it is supposed to look like this: This guide is intended to help you get on your way, it is not a copy of the official factory service manual. Be carful working...

hondasxs.com

Order the CONN TUBE band and pull the boot to inspect.
The CONN TUBE band will allow you to reassemble the boot with out a full disassembly.
(band size is the same for the P500)

 

[futzin]

Go here:

Multi - Field Stripping a Tie Rod

Does your tie rod look like this? Thought you would customize your Pioneers looks on an old stump? In case you where wondering, it is supposed to look like this: This guide is intended to help you get on your way, it is not a copy of the official factory service manual. Be carful working...

hondasxs.com

Order the CONN TUBE band and pull the boot to inspect.
The CONN TUBE band will allow you to reassemble the boot with out a full disassembly.
(band size is the same for the P500)

Retracted the boot, the shaft is fine. That rear upper a-arm mount is bent more than first noticed.

Driver's side:

Passenger side:

Am I correct in thinking that it needs to be beaten back into alignment, then welded?

 

[906UP]

Are you talking about the area circled? It looks like it's torn loose a bit, but yah.....smack it straight with a hammer and weld it.

 

[The Green Goat]

Throw a gusset in for good measure

 

[futzin]

View attachment 406594
Are you talking about the area circled? It looks like it's torn loose a bit, but yah.....smack it straight with a hammer and weld it.

Yes, that's right. Do you feel like this would cause my toe-out issue?

 

[KyGal83]

View attachment 406594
Are you talking about the area circled? It looks like it's torn loose a bit, but yah.....smack it straight with a hammer and weld it.

Also bent on the front end of the mount..

 

[906UP]

Yes, that's right. Do you feel like this would cause my toe-out issue?

It could, it's hard to see how far it's bent from the pic. I would suggest measuring from the A arm to a point on each side to get a real picture...... example, measure from the ball joint to the center of the rear wheel on both sides and compare

 

[lee]

Am I correct in thinking that it needs to be beaten back into alignment, then welded?

Try measuring from left to right.
The back side of the front mount and the front side of the back mount are clear side to side.
The measurements should be the same.

You could jack up the front end, drop the upper arm frame bolts (on the side that you think is wonky) and the holes should line up front to back.
Make sure they line up before you start welding.

 

[futzin]

The mount is pulled down, kinda. Or, out towards the wheel.

The pics in post 134 show the misalignment, if you look closely.

 

[futzin]

This is, still, just ugly:

I just don't think the bent mount results in all this.

Thoughts?

 

[The Green Goat]

You jump a tooth in the rack?

 

[futzin]

Beats me, but increasingly looking like a steering rack issue, I guess.

Trying to knock out the easier, more accessible stuff first, but even that is taking forever. Special thanks to KyGal for her sharp eyes thus far.

Trying to get a buddy to do the alignment 'persuasion' and welding...

 

[futzin]