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They both have their places! I've used both on the Pioneer but the fun stuff was done with the Sawzall.
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They both have their places! I've used both on the Pioneer but the fun stuff was done with the Sawzall.
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QuadMan747
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I don't know about you but I could never do this to my pioneer, pretty sure it just couldn't handle it... if you think I'm wrong then prove it LOL:
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Most all new truck and SUV have 4 wheel drive. With the safety features for driving on snow & ice on the road which is a great feature and safe. But for a ATV (sxs) we want out true locked in 4 wheel drive. If one tire spins so does the other tire. We want power and try to be unstoppable!! Only drawbacks with true differentials that lock is that if you turn wheels to sharp while slinging mud you might break a axle but I had rather break a axle then get stuck due to only one tire pulling. Go to mud bogs those guys got $100k invested in there trucks and they run true lockers not electronic limited slip. 16 models rule!
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We sold our Ranger Crew several months ago & was just going to buy brand "C's" crew & roll the dice with quality. That was until I caught wind that Honda was purposely not saying anything about the '17 Pioneer 1000...I assumed...well hoped..that they were going to add a crew to the line up. You're right, though...the typical crew is a small bus & has a horrible turning radius. But...with momma & 4 kids & occasionally 2 dogs, I have to give up some stuff to obtain room. ;-)
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Well @CTDpower ...thats a top of the line general with Fox Shocks. Lets see their base model jump like that. We would have to see the 2017 limited edition in action to have a comparison to the videos you posted. Also, i have jumped my Pioneer many times with stock suspension and it handled it just fine! When i upgrade shocks to the ones shown in your video, i will post a video for you of the extreme air of video #1. Lets compare apples to apples...OK
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Unfortunately, if you go and read the General forums, that performance comes at price. It is really too bad that Honda and Polaris can't get together and come up with a Ponda or a Polarda that had the innovation and features of the General and the durability of a Pioneer 700.
Of course, from an engineering standpoint, for the price point they may be mutually exclusive.
Kind of like the engineering maxim:
Cheap - Fast - High Quality ->
You can have any two but not all three at the same time.
Maybe in the offroad world you can have ->
Performance -Reliability - Reasonable cost
You can have only two.
Honda picks Reliability and Reasonable cost while Polaris picks Performance and Reasonable cost and knows that if they release a "new shiny" next year with more performance and more "features" that a large segment of the buying public will go "Oh, SHINY!" and forget about all the problems they had with last years models and grab the "NEW SHINY with 10 more HP!"
While Honda caters to the "Well my last Honda from 10 years ago is still running fine so I am going to get another one", market segment. (My segment #2)
Probably why Polaris has significantly higher sales figures. They have designed in market share obsolescence.
Of course, from an engineering standpoint, for the price point they may be mutually exclusive.
Kind of like the engineering maxim:
Cheap - Fast - High Quality ->
You can have any two but not all three at the same time.
Maybe in the offroad world you can have ->
Performance -Reliability - Reasonable cost
You can have only two.
Honda picks Reliability and Reasonable cost while Polaris picks Performance and Reasonable cost and knows that if they release a "new shiny" next year with more performance and more "features" that a large segment of the buying public will go "Oh, SHINY!" and forget about all the problems they had with last years models and grab the "NEW SHINY with 10 more HP!"
While Honda caters to the "Well my last Honda from 10 years ago is still running fine so I am going to get another one", market segment. (My segment #2
)Probably why Polaris has significantly higher sales figures. They have designed in market share obsolescence.
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About 6 months ago I drove a General at out favorite camp spot(I did do a small write up in here somewhere) and was more then displeased with the vehicle. The first thing I noticed is the sheer lack of craftsmanship! It was like a Snap-tite model for kids. Really poor. The door was two pieces snapped together and kept falling apart. I only put about 5 miles on it with the owner in my rig. The seat was comfy (although it moved around a lot) and the seating profile was better it felt more like a car and the suspension was beautiful (however I'll be putting those same shocks in mine) but everything else just felt cheap and unrefined. It rattled something fierce and I'd NEVER want to go back to snowmobile transmission. When we got back I asked the owner what he felt about mine and with a smile he said he loved the gears! I asked if there was anything he didn't like (and this was a full blooded Polaris guy) he said he didn't like the seating however he'd get use to it and the shocks were crap. That was it. He was fully impressed with the running gear and said if he'd drove that first he'd probably have bought that. The factory shocks are bad and the seating profile is the way it is to run 5 people in a small body. Those were his only complaints.
For the record I'm pretty hard on mine the general would hate me and once we get shocks...watch the videos from that point lol.
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I like the way that sounds ^^^
So you guys think the fox shocks would really make that kind of difference? Like getting 4' of vertical air on jumps and it handles it? I mean really handles it, not just the shocks but the frame and everything too? If so that is awesome. I've never driven the polaris so I personally can't compare, all I have to go off of is the videos and pictures. Honestly for my purposes what I have is basically perfect, I just wish it had a better clutch situation, and maybe I have one of the bad clutches and should just take it in to the dealer?
So you guys think the fox shocks would really make that kind of difference? Like getting 4' of vertical air on jumps and it handles it? I mean really handles it, not just the shocks but the frame and everything too? If so that is awesome. I've never driven the polaris so I personally can't compare, all I have to go off of is the videos and pictures. Honestly for my purposes what I have is basically perfect, I just wish it had a better clutch situation, and maybe I have one of the bad clutches and should just take it in to the dealer?
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Shocks make all the difference in the world I said this a while back when we got our 700 I love that machine except for mainly one thing the shocks were absolute crap that thing was way worse than 1000 but the shocks are the same basic set up as the thousand in the front especially (the 1000 is just heavier wider and longer so...) and when we put fox in it it was several times better than the thousand is now big difference I can't even explain the difference so since the thousand is that much better in stock form then the 700 I can only dream at this point how nice it'll be.
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I don't know about the shocks and jumping (I gave that up a long time ago, if I am going to be in the air, I better have wings and a 12 cylinder Merlin in front of me.
) but from the complaints that I have read on Polaris forums about the cheap and thin gauge frame material that Polaris uses on their machines, I would think that the Polaris frame would give long before the Honda frame would.
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Why would it not be the same 2016 Honda accessory skid plates hardly anyone bought because they UHMW was better? Just my 2 cents but I suspect that's how they are getting rid of the 2016 accessories no one bought.
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You're comparing a sport/utility to a utility. When Honda puts out a sport model, then you might have something to make this comparison with. What I do know is that I drive it hard enough that I've already blown out a front shock and replaced both with Walker Evans - that actually have 16 adjustment settings instead of 3. Since doing so I've noticed a 100% improvement in handling and performance. I can fly over really rough area's that I wouldn't have dared to do with the stock shocks. The rear levelers seem to work with, also, and even though I like them, I will probably replace them with the Walker Evans next year sometime.
Unless mini spooled, all are limited slip to some degree. I have no problem with what Hondas direction on the 17 LE is. May even be better than what we call a true 4wd. I own three different side by sides, Honda , Yamaha, and Polaris Highlifter. Have used and abused all three in depth. All three are excellent machines. I can't tell any difference in the 4wd. Only machine I've seen on the bad trails that were 3wd were the video lock. But it too has its place, especially for the high speed sand guys. I think Honda keeps raising the bar, and is doing so very quick. I would think on extreme trails it's new system will allow traction and give a dummy like me to correct my line of travel more than what we have now.
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Yep. Check out the price Fox has on the ones they are supplying for the 2017 P1K LE.
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