P1000 Internal Gear Reduction not saving clutches

[AKRider]

I have to go downstairs into the garage to look at mine. Don't tell anyone, but I do it a lot... lol. [HASHTAG]#PioneerPorn[/HASHTAG]

 

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[popeye]

Since you are quite mechanically minded and skilled, can you/have you verified that your oil cooler is working properly? I have a theory that the problem isn't a clamping force/oil pressure/clutch material problem but it is a clutch overheating/delamination problem. There is an oil cooler on the P1000 but it doesn't look like a radiator as I was expecting, so I don't really know for sure how it works but I bet you could figure it out.

Maybe that is why it happens instead of it being a clutch problem. There is really no mention of clutch problems on the other forums where Honda uses the this design.

ETA: Or it could be some other auxillary or tertiary system that influences it. Like something in the oil pump or maybe a bit of slag or trash that is partially blocking the oil flow in just some machines.

So the oil cooler on our rigs is engine coolant cooled. It sits just above and a little bit inboard of the oil filters and their housings. I know this because when i installed my aftermarket heater its where the sercice manual told me to splice into the coolant system. The oil cooler is just like what it used on many diesel engines from the bigest one to the smallest. It seems to work for diesels to get that super heated engine oil from high egts and blistering turbo temps. So unless it was just designed too small i dont realy see the cooler being the source. Unless it had restricted flow. But heat is transfered more efficiently through two fluids than it is transfered from a fluid to air. I know their is some fancy name for each of them but i learned that stuff way too long ago

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[Plumber32]

Quite the view you have there cp

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Most people want to look out at the woods or a lake ect. CP puts a window in so he can look at the pioneer lol!

 

[snuffnwhisky]

The first oil pump pulls the oil out of the pan, through the oil cooler and back to the oil tank. #2 clutch and #3 engine pump pulls from the tank.

 

[popeye]

The first oil pump pulls the oil out of the pan, through the oil cooler and back to the oil tank. #2 clutch and #3 engine pump pulls from the tank.

These have 3 oil pumps?

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[AKRider]

I have to go downstairs into the garage to look at mine. Don't tell anyone, but I do it a lot... lol. [HASHTAG]#PioneerPorn[/HASHTAG]

And my $45K truck sits outside at 23 below, while my wife's FJ shares the garage with the P1K, 2004 Rancher, and that damn RZR170... lol

 

[snuffnwhisky]

Only 4 friction disk in the clutch pack. My old 250 ninja had 5. My Ducati with a dry clutch has 8. Looks like an aftermarket clutch kit with thinner and more plates would help.

 

[snuffnwhisky]

 

[snuffnwhisky]

Oil flow

 

[snuffnwhisky]

Filter to check when doing a new clutch.

 

[Ridem32]

Filter to check when doing a new clutch.View attachment 31326

I saw that little filter screen last nite in my manual. Would not take much at all to stop flow thru that.


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[joeymt33]

Filter to check when doing a new clutch.View attachment 31326

That's a tiny filter, wow

 

[Eltobgi]

Only 4 friction disk in the clutch pack. My old 250 ninja had 5. My Ducati with a dry clutch has 8. Looks like an aftermarket clutch kit with thinner and more plates would help.

Here's an image to support discussion...

 

[Eltobgi]

Filter to check when doing a new clutch.View attachment 31326

If dirty replacement part number is...

 

[Manwell]

I read these posts with interest just to understand what others are experiencing and thinking... I personally have yet to have a single hiccup with mine as it relates to the transmission. Rough shifting until the initial oil change and now it shifts better than ever and seems to becoming smoother and smoother with use. Having owned numerous Honda products and actively participated in forums like this with my Honda motorcycles I've learned that people having problems is greatly magnified on these forums. The vast majority of folks who own these machines never even consider joining a forum like this one, only the enthusiast's for the most part. It's somewhat of a gamble buying the very first year model of anything mechanical and relatively sophisticated. My personal experience with Honda taking care of issues and warrantee or recall stuff has been good and I will say very rare. Honda is a huge company with massive resources, they will figure it out and come up with a fix. I really sucks for those who are having problems,I get that part. Just my $.02 worth...

 

[CumminsPusher]

If dirty replacement part number is...
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It's designed to be cleaned though. I'll admit I didn't know about it on first time through but I had no documentation it was a hell Mary I was just handed a box of parts and a bill from dealer which is worse then taking it apart. It took me a sec to figure clutch pack reassembly and direction etc.

 

[ghost]

I'm not sure why some say oil temp heat causing this problem. Our machines have a EOT ENGINE OIL TEMP SENSOR ON THE CLUTCH COVER. See pic if the oil temp got or gets to high we would know it.


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My theory (just a wild guess) is that there is a bad batch of sensors - which would explain why only a certain number of machines are affected and why the same units continue to have problems. Not necessarily this sensor - there are several to choose.

 

[bigdeal]

If dirty replacement part number is...
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There are others too! There is an oil strainer
(15150-HL4-003)
in the oil pan and a oil filter screen
(15421-HL4-000) in the oil pump!

 

[PioneerPete]

I think some are considering the DCT automatic transmission with a fluid link(torque converter). It's not it's a manual transmission that is computer controlled.

Bury a Jeep or Samurai and keep trying to spin those tires, or turn it around on a hill slipping that clutch until it glows, then tell me how long the clutch lasts.

I agree with that... there's a certain amount of understanding the machine required for any operator.
But I will offer this observation... I followed a Samurai recently and I couldn't go nearly as slow as him. He could keep his clutches engaged at lower speeds and mine kept disengaging. I'd have to stop and wait on him to creep up something, then I'd have to hit ot at twice the speed to keep mine engaged.

 

[Ridem32]

I have a 2000 model Jeep Wrangler. In low I can start off with no gas petal just ease off the clutch and it crawls off. Never have to slip the clutch at all. Tires will spin when needed


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