We should start a bin library on here. Dyno Jet's site only has one map, and that was peaky as crap...
Interesting... So the stock tune is actually rich in the higher revs? What was your target? 13-13.2? Stock intake and exhaust? How long was this table auto-tuned?
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Make sure to calibrate the TPS in the software. If you see your TPS going from 0-1% at idle, It will start making making changes to idle at your 2% settings. I adjusted my 0% and 2% @ 1000 - 1500 rpm the same. Smoothed out the idle a lot.
I noticed and did the exact same snuff... At idle it even occasionally see's 3% so I made sure even 5 tps isnt a huge difference... Do you have an auto-tuned map completed yet? Like to compare mine
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Did the cam make a big difference? Was just looking to compare the curve actually... not specific numbers
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It lost bottom end but picked up mid-upper range. Supposed to get my IGR back this week so the bottom end should be taken care of. Idle is at -22%, 8k i'm +30 at 13.2. 0-55mph I'm 2-3 bike lengths behind at the start and 2-3 ahead at the finish.
Wow! So she is opened up now! 30 plus percent more fuel than stock up top.. The -22% at idle is shocking
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New guy here. Don't own a Pioneer yet but researching for a possible purchase.
I do have the PC5 on my Aprilia sportbike with the AT. It is important to remember that it's not always about tons of extra power. It's as much about RESPONSIVENESS and SMOOTHNESS of the power you HAVE or WILL GET. In my bike I run ONLY ethanol free 90 Oct. Ethanol gives you LESS power (it has less potential BTUs of energy for a given volume than straight gas BUT is more resistant to detonation). 90 Oct is PLENTY for the Pioneer that has a 10:1 compression ratio and the lack of ethanol makes the gas it has more "power" packed ( as well as less likely to attack various fuel system components that are ethanol sensitive).
The PC5 with AT will be a pleasant addition just for the "fringe" benefits one gets and at least on my bike, makes it nicer to ride as it's smoother power delivery inspires confidence and safety. I would buy again.
Remember, an engine is just an air pump, to see benefits, you have to lessen the restriction points. A free flowing exhaust is worthless if the intake side is the restriction and having a K+N on a wide open intake pipe is worthless if the throttle body and head can't flow what the engine needs. On a non-racing machine, I personally wouldn't bother with anything beyond bolt-ons, your ROI will be so dismal.
I do have the PC5 on my Aprilia sportbike with the AT. It is important to remember that it's not always about tons of extra power. It's as much about RESPONSIVENESS and SMOOTHNESS of the power you HAVE or WILL GET. In my bike I run ONLY ethanol free 90 Oct. Ethanol gives you LESS power (it has less potential BTUs of energy for a given volume than straight gas BUT is more resistant to detonation). 90 Oct is PLENTY for the Pioneer that has a 10:1 compression ratio and the lack of ethanol makes the gas it has more "power" packed ( as well as less likely to attack various fuel system components that are ethanol sensitive).
The PC5 with AT will be a pleasant addition just for the "fringe" benefits one gets and at least on my bike, makes it nicer to ride as it's smoother power delivery inspires confidence and safety. I would buy again.
Remember, an engine is just an air pump, to see benefits, you have to lessen the restriction points. A free flowing exhaust is worthless if the intake side is the restriction and having a K+N on a wide open intake pipe is worthless if the throttle body and head can't flow what the engine needs. On a non-racing machine, I personally wouldn't bother with anything beyond bolt-ons, your ROI will be so dismal.
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I have a 2018 1000-5 Deluxe STOCK and keeping it that way exhaust wise. I am looking at the PC-V and ATune. Is it worth $1k for what small upgrade it makes. I am not going to tune this thing like I dyno my Corvette.
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Think its about $550 for both. With stock tires you might not notice it as much. With big tires it does help. The main thing we noticed was the off idle and initial pull from a stop was better. 30" tire in 4lock in a bind and it might not even pull the tires. Just bog and sit with out the PCV.
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My friend would jump me a little over a bike length with both on stock tires in the first 30' and would be 1.5 ahead at 50 mph. Pretty noticeable off idle. Really just depends on how you drive it, weight and the terrain.
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So the question is, is it worth $1500 and can I backup faster in forward gear on a stock machine with 3 wheels and two Mexicans in the back?
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On trail terrain does it provide the low in torque that I am missing... or I think I am missing I use sport mode and use low gear and it just feels like I need to give it more throttle than I should have to, to go up certain terrain rocks( not wet or slippage issue) just up hill. Maybe I should use manual shift and low gear with 4wd and it would have more Torque?
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4 Lock will use up more power than 4wd. I generally only use manual mode on the trail. It is 2,000#+ loaded. The PCV will give you more response if it bogs and pull better in the lower rpm ranges.
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