P500 Who wants a diff. Lock ?

[KYhillbilly]

That much i get, i know i saw someone else say something about the idea of running it without pwr steering too. Just wondering if it is really going to be that awful without it or not if a guy only has to deal with it when using the 4wd as needed and not consistently. I know some guys like to keep their rigs in 4wd but i generally only use it when i suspect i will not be able to get by in 2wd

shouldn't make steering harder, if moving its easy and will be regardless if you have a locker, and it wont make any difference if your setting still. Used to run ratcheting lockers in Jeeps, they work just have to get used to the ratcheting or clicking noise when turning and the wheels are not spinning the same speed. However just like in CJ's and Wranglers when spinning and locked up front and rear understeer can be an issue.

 

[Dp5hunter]

Not a problem we shall overcome.

 

[maddmax]

These front locker folks needs to come on,This money is burning a big ole hole in my pocket!!!!

 

[Dp5hunter]

And I'm shour it will be worth every penny.

 

[hondasrule]

I was looking into reasons why will never get a bolt in locker on the p500 and here it is... The carrier is sold as complete assembly because it uses a press in pin that is REALLYHARD to remove for obvious reasons. I think this could be a major and only obstacle for the weekend mechanic or do it yourselfer. Not to say that it cant be done but its questionable especially if the kit will cost few hundred dollars and you will have to tweak it or tap it to get it working again. Thoughts on this??
let me hear it..

 

[Neohio]

They could provide a drilling jig to remove the peening in their kit.
Hopefully this is an issue they address when they come to market.

Was the pin truly pressed in? Or once you removed the peens, it fell right out?

 

[Chooglin]

I was looking into reasons why will never get a bolt in locker on the p500 and here it is... The carrier is sold as complete assembly because it uses a press in pin that is REALLYHARD to remove for obvious reasons. I think this could be a major and only obstacle for the weekend mechanic or do it yourselfer. Not to say that it cant be done but its questionable especially if the kit will cost few hundred dollars and you will have to tweak it or tap it to get it working again. Thoughts on this??
let me hear it..

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Is that a thru hole that the pin goes in , or a blind hole ? Pics don't show the other side of the hole !

 

[Chooglin]

Can you show a pic of the other end of the carrier ? If that is a thru hole , then only one end of the hole needs to be peened. The ring gear would keep the pin from falling out after the carrier is bolted to the ring gear !

 

[hondasrule]

Can you show a pic of the other end of the carrier ? If that is a thru hole , then only one end of the hole needs to be peened. The ring gear would keep the pin from falling out after the carrier is bolted to the ring gear !

Its a through hole that is machined 3/4 way in so it can only go in one way and out the same way.

 

[hondasrule]

They could provide a drilling jig to remove the peening in their kit.
Hopefully this is an issue they address when they come to market.

Was the pin truly pressed in? Or once you removed the peens, it fell right out?

It was in there firmly. I actually heated it slightly to get it moving past the peens but yes it was hard all the way out to the end. it was bending my pin punch. lol needless to say its f--ked.

 

[Seg]

It was in there firmly. I actually heated it slightly to get it moving past the peens but yes it was hard all the way out to the end. it was bending my pin punch. lol needless to say its f--ked.

what would be the odds of bending that pin going back in?

 

[Mlaz81]

Anybody else find it pathetic that a thread needs to be started for what should be just a given piece of standard equipment? Nearly every machine offered today (quad and SxS) has one. Hell, even my YXZ has one! I like my 500, but this is just one of the many reasons its relegated to work duty and no fun.

 

[hondasrule]

what would be the odds of bending that pin going back in?

The pin is made of high quality hardened steel. I know it will go back in. I am thinking will use a brass punch so don’t mess end up.

 

[Chooglin]

I would think Torq master will have a way of getting it out and put out a video on how it's done.

 

[Chooglin]

After looking at the pics some more , this is what I would have done. I would not knock the pin out of the end that is peened. I would drill the hole larger than the pin dia. , From the ring gear side. Remove the pin from the ring gear side and drill and tap the hole ( don't know what size thread because I don't know the pin dia.) Then loctite a set screw in the threads after you put the pin back in !

 

[Chooglin]

@hondasrule what is the reason for the tear down on your differential, did something break ?

 

[hondasrule]

@hondasrule what is the reason for the tear down on your differential, did something break ?

I purchased one brand new for disassembly and research.
I am going to make it a locking spool and test it out on my machine.
I actually think with the power steering and small wheel base it will only hop slightly and hopefully it will be a decent trade off to be completely locked.

 

[hondasrule]

After looking at the pics some more , this is what I would have done. I would not knock the pin out of the end that is peened. I would drill the hole larger than the pin dia. , From the ring gear side. Remove the pin from the ring gear side and drill and tap the hole ( don't know what size thread because I don't know the pin dia.) Then loctite a set screw in the threads after you put the pin back in !

That is a great idea chooglin. Love it. That could work perfectly rather that beating it through the pened side. It’s cast so it will drill and tap easily.

 

[Neohio]

If you didn’t remove the peening, that completely explains why it was a bear to remove.
The peening can be removed with a stone or carbide in a dremel to remove the pin. Eay enough to repeen after assembly with a hammer or center punch.

 

[alloutdoors]

Forgive me if I missed it, but skimmed through this long post and curious, anyone yet try a Foreman front differential? In addition to a front locker, I would be very interested in a "turf mode" in the rear...