P500 Who wants a diff. Lock ?

[JWB]

I'm in the process of editing the videos I did today, but here's the what's going on. I'm at Trailhead resort in VA and put almost 50 miles of pure abuse on the machine, pounding it up, and down, every black diamond trail on the south side of the Spearhead trail system, that include near vertical rock ledges, to rocks, mud and dirt that apparently have trashed many RZR's, about 5 miles of paved road running on the rev limiter, going flat-out, up, and down a nicely rutted gravel/dirt access road on the west side of the mountain, repeatedly through some mud holes and through deeply rutted muddy sections of trail. I drove up, and down the toughest of the black diamond trails as many as four times during the day.
I drove with 4wd engaged all day, (same as I always have on mountain trails) except pavement. I did try 4wd on my 'road rip' with no ill effects, but it just bothers me to have 4wd engaged on pavement.. In 2wd, you won't know it's there.

So, that baseball? Home run? That baseball is orbiting the earth at this very moment. That's right, it didn't just leave the park, it left the planet.

Power steering? If you intend to do anything aggressive in 4wd, then I strongly recommend it. If you use 4wd only to get out of a tough situation, or just need added traction for a brief stretch you could probably get by without it.

Who should install the locker? I.M.H.O.- Everyone. This thing is flat-out amazing. I think it should be standard equipment- it works that good, and with power steering, there's virtually no downside to installing one.

A shiftable locker is basically a spool on demand- the operator locks the differential in anticipation of need, or quite often, after the fact, and when locked, you're stuck with downsides of a spool. The Torq-Locker has all the advantages of a spool, and only about 5% of the disadvantages (I'll explain myself better in the video) of a spool. And most importantly, it operates instantly, automatically, and 95% unobtrusively.

In other words, if you gave the machine (with power steering) to a stranger to drive, it's very likely they would never know it has a locker in the front differential.

WIN, WIN, WIN, AWESOME, AWESOME, AWESOME!

 

[uconn411]

Great to hear. Looking forward to hearing about what is involved in the install and any tips for installation. Glad to hear it’s working so well...


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[Husker1]

On this style locker, any time the load is different between left and right wheels, it starts to ratchet. I doubt there will be too much more steering effort once installed.

It will only ratchet when under no load or coasting. If driving with
Power on it will lock. I have an Aussie locker the rear of my Cherokee and that’s how it works. And it does work well.

 

[Gassygordo]

I'm in the process of editing the videos I did today, but here's the what's going on. I'm at Trailhead resort in VA and put almost 50 miles of pure abuse on the machine, pounding it up, and down, every black diamond trail on the south side of the Spearhead trail system, that include near vertical rock ledges, to rocks, mud and dirt that apparently have trashed many RZR's, about 5 miles of paved road running on the rev limiter, going flat-out, up, and down a nicely rutted gravel/dirt access road on the west side of the mountain, repeatedly through some mud holes and through deeply rutted muddy sections of trail. I drove up, and down the toughest of the black diamond trails as many as four times during the day.
I drove with 4wd engaged all day, (same as I always have on mountain trails) except pavement. I did try 4wd on my 'road rip' with no ill effects, but it just bothers me to have 4wd engaged on pavement.. In 2wd, you won't know it's there.

So, that baseball? Home run? That baseball is orbiting the earth at this very moment. That's right, it didn't just leave the park, it left the planet.

Power steering? If you intend to do anything aggressive in 4wd, then I strongly recommend it. If you use 4wd only to get out of a tough situation, or just need added traction for a brief stretch you could probably get by without it.

Who should install the locker? I.M.H.O.- Everyone. This thing is flat-out amazing. I think it should be standard equipment- it works that good, and with power steering, there's virtually no downside to installing one.

A shiftable locker is basically a spool on demand- the operator locks the differential in anticipation of need, or quite often, after the fact, and when locked, you're stuck with downsides of a spool. The Torq-Locker has all the advantages of a spool, and only about 5% of the disadvantages (I'll explain myself better in the video) of a spool. And most importantly, it operates instantly, automatically, and 95% unobtrusively.

In other words, if you gave the machine (with power steering) to a stranger to drive, it's very likely they would never know it has a locker in the front differential.

WIN, WIN, WIN, AWESOME, AWESOME, AWESOME!

EXCELLENT!!! Oh, I already said that!

 

[TeamCheap]

So power steering is NOT a must with the locker?

I might do a locker if it is driveable without PS, on our first trail ride I drove for about 4.5 hours with no fatigue whatsoever but the trail was mostly very easy snowmobile trail our next trail ride will be into the tighter trails.My wife driving will determine if we need PS.

Even so with the trails around here there is not a huge need for a locker, hills are small, mud holes are out there but mostly loose sand and some hard packed dirt.

I still see a need for the locker in the fall, winter and mostly during spring thaw when there is still ice/snow on the trails and serious muddy thaws to get through.

Love the reviews.

 

[trigger]

Sweet! Thanks @JWB . That's what we all wanted to hear and sounds like it was worth the wait. I'll be getting one of these for sure. Without watching a 'how to' my only question is how involved is the install? Can the average Joe with a decent amount of mechanical knowledge install this in his garage without having to buy special tools?

 

[jay_man81]

Sweet! Thanks @JWB . That's what we all wanted to hear and sounds like it was worth the wait. I'll be getting one of these for sure. Without watching a 'how to' my only question is how involved is the install? Can the average Joe with a decent amount of mechanical knowledge install this in his garage without having to buy special tools?

I will have a full how to vid for it but it is super easy to install. All you need is a 10mm 12mm 14mm 17mm socket, needle nose pliers for those pesky tie rod bolt pins, and I needed a 1/2” socket to loosen my winch mount plate to take the front brush guard off. Also need a pin punch for the pin that holds the center pin for the diff gears in place like JWB showed. That’s the worse part of the whole instal. That little thing can be a pain to get out. It only took me just over 4 hrs to tear down, install, and reassemble even with setting up camera’s.

 

[Neohio]

Sweet! Thanks @JWB . That's what we all wanted to hear and sounds like it was worth the wait. I'll be getting one of these for sure. Without watching a 'how to' my only question is how involved is the install? Can the average Joe with a decent amount of mechanical knowledge install this in his garage without having to buy special tools?

The only "special" tool you may need will be a die grinder or dremel to grind the factory peen on the cross pin lock. Everything else should be regular hand tools. 8/10/12/14/17/19mm.

 

[Mudder]

Belated Fathers Day gift list for sure. Hope the install video is from start to finish to include removal of hub, drive and diff. @JWB Video of unit itself was very informative and looked like not too bad, liked the detailed tips like the special spacers placement..don't switch them up. Once again, HondaSxS forum to the rescue!

 

[jay_man81]

Hope the install video is from start to finish to include removal of hub, drive and diff.

It is!

 

[JWB]

Sweet! Thanks @JWB . That's what we all wanted to hear and sounds like it was worth the wait. I'll be getting one of these for sure. Without watching a 'how to' my only question is how involved is the install? Can the average Joe with a decent amount of mechanical knowledge install this in his garage without having to buy special tools?

Nothing special. all normal tools

 

[JWB]

Ditto what @jay_man81 said- I'm really looking forward to his videos as well. There's nothing tricky or complex to do the install. The only 'trick' I suggest, is to get the retaining pin out, which involves a drill bit that is smaller than the pin's hole. I started by first driving the pin IN a little more, then using the drill bit, I opened the hole where the factory has peened it in. then flip the carrier over, and drive out the pin. I used a pin punch to get it started, and then drove it the rest of the way out with a nail that I flattened the tip on, cuz my pin punch wasn't long enough to push the pin all the way out. I meant to do a video to demonstrate what I'm talking about- I forgot- but I will do it, because not removing some of the peened over metal, would make that pin a b**ch to get out. The actual putting the auto-locker in the carrier is child's play Except if you have a camera pointed at it!

 

[JWB]

It will only ratchet when under no load or coasting. If driving with
Power on it will lock. I have an Aussie locker the rear of my Cherokee and that’s how it works. And it does work well.

The only experience I had with ratcheting lockers, was about 20 years ago, in the rear of a Chevelle- it sucked. It did work, but it was horrible to drive, and when it did 'ratchet' it would make the whole car shudder, and it you even touched the throttle it would lock, and at the time, anyone who had used them before said that was normal... If the automotive Torq-lockers work as well as the one I just put in my machine, I'll be putting one in my next pick-up!

 

[pFive]

OK< maybe the locker is arriving exactly at the wrong time..

 

[JWB]

View attachment 78917 OK< maybe the locker is arriving exactly at the wrong time..

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I know a bunch of folks are gonna be excited about it, but if it aint 50" wide I'm not. I watched the big machines creeping, struggling, getting damaged, and unable to pass each other on the trails all day yesterday. Every time I think I want a go-fast/bigger machine, and then get on those mountain trails with my P-500, I always come home thinking I've got the best machine for the job. Those big machines wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell keeping up with the P-500 on those trails, mostly because they barely fit. One mistake and the machine's wrecked. I saw three instances of that in just one day of riding!
But I hope the Talon kicks a**!!
and if they make a 50" version.....I think I'll be needing one...$$$

 

[JWB]

So power steering is NOT a must with the locker?

I might do a locker if it is driveable without PS, on our first trail ride I drove for about 4.5 hours with no fatigue whatsoever but the trail was mostly very easy snowmobile trail our next trail ride will be into the tighter trails.My wife driving will determine if we need PS.

Even so with the trails around here there is not a huge need for a locker, hills are small, mud holes are out there but mostly loose sand and some hard packed dirt.

I still see a need for the locker in the fall, winter and mostly during spring thaw when there is still ice/snow on the trails and serious muddy thaws to get through.

Love the reviews.

Thanks! I'm having a blast sharing what I'm doin!

 

[Remington]

View attachment 78917 OK< maybe the locker is arriving exactly at the wrong time..

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Hahaha go to the end of that thread and read, or just zoom in and read the HONDAsxs it’s spelled HODNAsxs Fake News! Lol.
It will be nice when and that’s a big when they finally get one out.

 

[Hondasxs]

Hahaha go to the end of that thread and read, or just zoom in and read the HONDAsxs it’s spelled HODNAsxs Fake News! Lol.
It will be nice when and that’s a big when they finally get one out.

Proof its fake. Lol.

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[JWB]

Proof its fake. Lol.

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Tell @pFive that that was just wrong!! I was already thinking 'what if they do make a 50" version!?' I'm already thinking about the financing.....DUDE!? Got me good!

 

[JWB]

Here's the bits of video I did on the Torq-Locker on Saturday in the mountains. Please give me some lee-way on the mistakes- at one point I said "open locker" and what I meant to say is 'open differential' I also mixed up the trail numbers, and there's likely some stuff I missed, but I had to share what a fantastic day I had, not just as a test ride, but a really fun ride!!