P1000 A Lower Reverse With Talon Parts!!!! - Honda Pioneer 1000

[Cummins_sxe]

I was too busy to get measurements today on the reverse upgrade. Probably won't happen til the middle of next week. A Pioneer with no reverse is really annoying, but I simply don't have time to make headway on it.

What about the valve lifters i was looking at the parts fish and they are different pn on the talon

 

[snuffnwhisky]

The Talon and AT both have a wider timing chain. The crank sprocket on the Pioneer is machined as part of the crank to where the others are pressed on. The cam sprocket is swappable. I didn't swap the chain due to possible wear on the crank sprocket with the chain being able to go back and forth on it.

 

[Zmorris83]

The Twin TB adapter is missing a couple of mounting holes. Might not matter but I felt better boring the stock adapter.

Exactly my thinking and I'm all about saving some cash by modifying the original part.

 

[Zmorris83]

What about the valve lifters i was looking at the parts fish and they are different pn on the talon

Are you talking about the intake valve buckets?

 

[Zmorris83]

How much would affect running the engine if i bore or replaced the TB adapter, replace the cam and valve springs without tuning?
because i rather do this and wait for the tuner.

You can't and you wouldn't be happy if you did. Swapping a cam without a tune results in a power loss everywhere. Even if you add in the missing fuel and make a coarse change to the timing map it will still suck. Valve timing has a dramatic effect on dynamic compression ratio so the proper timing maps for a Pioneer vs Talon/ATwin will be basically inverse of each other.

The only torque management they could have is ignition timing. That should be a timing map modifier that shouldn't be too crazy difficult to find during code disassembly.

The Talon ECM should be a huge gain. If you don't mind the really late shifts in Auto mode then that would be the best short term solution for "tuning". BE AWARE that the Talon ECU is setup for larger injectors so it won't be a direct swap for a Pioneer.

 

[Zmorris83]

Nobody has cracked into the torque management yet, only fuel and timing. The stock injectors are fine. I swapped to the Talon ECU and hope to get some real riding in soon. So far it feels better but still a lot of tweaking to do.

Are you interested in opening up your Pioneer ECM to see what hardware it uses? If it uses hardware that I already have support for then would you be interested in Beta testing for me?

 

[GPR1500SC]

Also the Talon has a bigger bore throttle body

 

[Zmorris83]

Also the Talon has a bigger bore throttle body

And a different intake port.

 

[GPR1500SC]

Quick update my oldest boy put the Talon ECM in last night after grounding PIN 16 Thanks Snuff! It worked it changed the up shift point to 5,000 in auto mode, and the dash indicators seem to be it's only hang up.
Auto tune is still learning but the performance seems to be better across the board.
I was playing on a small dirt pile and it seemed to give back some of the torque the African twin cam lost.

 

[JTW]

Quick update my oldest boy put the Talon ECM in last night after grounding PIN 16 Thanks Snuff! It worked it changed the up shift point to 5,000 in auto mode, and the dash indicators seem to be it's only hang up.
Auto tune is still learning but the performance seems to be better across the board.
I was playing on a small dirt pile and it seemed to give back some of the torque the African twin cam lost.

Awesome.. I see this in my future!

 

[GPR1500SC]

Awesome.. I see this in my future!

This is a little early to rush out and buy a ECM I think a reflash will be a better option.
Also I thought the Talon had a launch feature by pulling both paddles back that didn't work either.

 

[GPR1500SC]

Are you interested in opening up your Pioneer ECM to see what hardware it uses? If it uses hardware that I already have support for then would you be interested in Beta testing for me?

I have a Pioneer ECM begging to get violated.

Hint hint Zmorris

 

[snuffnwhisky]

I have a Pioneer ECM begging to get violated.

Hint hint Zmorris

You have to cut it apart to get to the guts.

 

[JTW]

This is a little early to rush out and buy a ECM I think a reflash will be a better option.
Also I thought the Talon had a launch feature by pulling both paddles back that didn't work either.

I agree.. just wanting some of the torque management reduced. Big tires and no IGR.. I’d like to see how it does. I already have the PCV

 

[GPR1500SC]

You have to cut it apart to get to the guts.

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I didn't want any back door action!
But some one has to take one for the team.

 

[GPR1500SC]

I agree.. just wanting some of the torque management reduced. Big tires and no IGR.. I’d like to see how it does. I already have the PCV

I took my portals off for this project and am running on 29's
I down loaded a app to test 0 - 30 0-50 and 0-60 and would like to post some back to back tests with hard numbers instead of using my but meter

 

[Zmorris83]

I have a Pioneer ECM begging to get violated.

Hint hint Zmorris

You willing to sacrifice it to the God of Speed?

I think this ECM is going to be the same Keihin that lots of other units run so it should be as "simple" as hex disassembly, edit and bench flash.

 

[Zmorris83]

Anyone on here have IDA Pro or at least WinOLS?

 

[GPR1500SC]

You willing to sacrifice it to the God of Speed?

I think this ECM is going to be the same Keihin that lots of other units run so it should be as "simple" as hex disassembly, edit and bench flash.

Yes maybe.
Mean no sacrificing for curiosity, only advancement.
PM'ing you my cell

 

[GPR1500SC]

I down loaded a app on my phone to measure distance and this is what it came up with.
Talon PCM 0 - 30 = 78.3 feet. 0 - 50 = 348.6 feet 0 - 60 = 755 feet.
Pioneer PCM 0-30 81.3 feet 0 - 50 = 387.6 0 - 60 = 826
This was a average of three runs each
The Talon PCM from a dead stop will squall the tires and leave faint black marks turn your tires and mash on it will do a donut on the asphalt the Pioneer PCM would not do it