Clutch temperature indicator

[Daniil]

Hi all, appeared with a strange problem, maybe someone knows how to solve it, Talon completely cold, air temperature, oil level okay, starting it and after 2-5 seconds the clutch temperature indicator comes on and flashes error on i-4wd, what could be the problem ?

 

[HBarlow]

Miles/kilometers of use on machine?

I have no knowledge of how much or how your machine has been used or your skill level in using it so I'm guessing.

The DCT (dual clutch transmission) in Talons and Pioneer 1000s is a rugged, durable, efficient, and proven device but it requires a level of understanding to use it and keep it trouble-free.

People of older generations like myself who learned to drive with a manual transmission and foot clutch instinctively know how to use the DCT. Younger drivers who learned to drive with an automatic transmission may experience problems.

The basic secret to use of the Honda DCT is DO NOT use the throttle/accelerator pedal to hold the machine in place on a hill. If you want the machine to move, depress the pedal and drive. DO NOT continue to depress the accelerator pedal if free movement of the machine is prevented by a curb, log, rock, or other object.

Do not allow the engine to rev at an rpm above idle if the machine doesn't move. To do so is causing the friction clutches to slip which causes heat, wear, and failure.

 

[Daniil]

Miles/kilometers of use on machine?

I have no knowledge of how much or how your machine has been used or your skill level in using it so I'm guessing.

The DCT (dual clutch transmission) in Talons and Pioneer 1000s is a rugged, durable, efficient, and proven device but it requires a level of understanding to use it and keep it trouble-free.

People of older generations like myself who learned to drive with a manual transmission and foot clutch instinctively know how to use the DCT. Younger drivers who learned to drive with an automatic transmission may experience problems.

The basic secret to use of the Honda DCT is DO NOT use the throttle/accelerator pedal to hold the machine in place on a hill. If you want the machine to move, depress the pedal and drive. DO NOT use continue to depress the accelerator pedal if free movement of the machine is prevented by a curb, log, rock, or other object.

Do not allow the engine to rev at an rpm above idle if the machine doesn't move. To do so is causing the friction clutches to slip which causes heat, wear, and failure.

it is talon 1000x 2020, around 6k km, not aggressive use, I just wanted to replace clutch disks, took out the clutch, replaced disks and now I have this problem

 

[HBarlow]

it is talon 1000x 2020, around 6k km, not aggressive use, I just wanted to replace clutch disks, took out the clutch, replaced disks and now I have this problem

I'm not a real mechanic, I just act like one on this forum! (An old American joke based on a stupid old television commercial).

When parts have been replaced or other work done by the owner rather than a skilled shop the first assumption is usually to wonder if a mistake was made. Not assuming you did something wrong, just wondering if you overlooked a step or forgot to adjust something. I would suggest you go back over your work looking carefully for something overlooked.

Other than that suggestion, I don't know what is causing your alarm, perhaps a genuine Honda technician can tell you. If your clutches were worn and slipping before you replaced them perhaps the computer doesn't know yet and is still providing old information.

Is it possible to clear the code or the alarm light?

 

[DRZRon1]

it is talon 1000x 2020, around 6k km, not aggressive use, I just wanted to replace clutch disks, took out the clutch, replaced disks and now I have this problem

did u replace with the OEM Honda clutch packs - all in one unit

u were on the other site looking for just disks

did u do a clutch relearn at least

 

[Daniil]

actually I do not have any codes

 

[Daniil]

did u replace with the OEM Honda clutch packs - all in one unit

u were on the other site looking for just disks

did u do a clutch relearn at least

I changed only disks because packs 740$ will be + delivery to me 200$, and new disks only 100$ for 8pcs, that is why I have changed only disks. Clutch relearn - no, because I have 83-1, 83-2 errors, and I cannon do this procedure already 5 months, because nobody knows how to solve this problem, last chance will be new ECM, I’ll get it in 5 days, hope it will help me

 

[HondaTech]

I changed only disks because packs 740$ will be + delivery to me 200$, and new disks only 100$ for 8pcs, that is why I have changed only disks. Clutch relearn - no, because I have 83-1, 83-2 errors, and I cannon do this procedure already 5 months, because nobody knows how to solve this problem, last chance will be new ECM, I’ll get it in 5 days, hope it will help me

I dont know where your getting just the disk/fibers, I'm not aware of anyone selling them.

Honda only sells the entire clutch, basket included because there is a specific freeplay the clutch has to have to operate properly.

 

[Daniil]

I dont know where your getting just the disk/fibers, I'm not aware of anyone selling them.

Honda only sells the entire clutch, basket included because there is a specific freeplay the clutch has to have to operate properly.

which exactly part should have a freeplay ?

 

[Daniil]

Friction plate 2nd 3rd automatic transmission B5RA 12-up (30T 1.95mm 121mm)

Friction plate 2nd 3rd automatic transmission B5RA 12-up 231706-195BS (30T 1.95mm 121mm)

maktrans.net

Here I have bought them

 

[HondaTech]

Friction plate 2nd 3rd automatic transmission B5RA 12-up (30T 1.95mm 121mm)

Friction plate 2nd 3rd automatic transmission B5RA 12-up 231706-195BS (30T 1.95mm 121mm)

maktrans.net

Here I have bought them

The clutch pack itself has a set freeplay between the snap ring and the thick steel plate that sits at the top of the clutch pack. Honda was originally going to sell different end plates to set freeplay but decided to just sell the whole pack together.

That link is for car parts, they might work but id mutch rather have the correct stuff

 

[DRZRon1]

Friction plate 2nd 3rd automatic transmission B5RA 12-up (30T 1.95mm 121mm)

Friction plate 2nd 3rd automatic transmission B5RA 12-up 231706-195BS (30T 1.95mm 121mm)

maktrans.net

Here I have bought them

U r not going to get anyone here to say that’s good since there is a reason Honda only sells clutch packs - I get it’s a huge cost - but it is what it is

hopefully these are where Honda buys they from and are same exact thickness, material spec, etc…..

I am impressed by your ingenuity and maybe you can teach us all something - good luck

 

[HondaTech]

U r not going to get anyone here to say that’s good since there is a reason Honda only sells clutch packs - I get it’s a huge cost - but it is what it is

hopefully these are where Honda buys they from and are same exact thickness, material spec, etc…..

I am impressed by your ingenuity and maybe you can teach us all something - good luck

There's alot of stuff in the DCT trans that are car parts by the #'s. So it's possible, their just using off the shelf car stuff and it would work.

 

[HBarlow]

Danil,

I'm just a bystander here but if you can cancel the ECM purchase I advise you to do so. Your problem is most likely the clutch disks you replaced.

My advice is follow the recommendations of "HondaTech." He is a genuine Honda dealership service department Honda technician.

 

[HondaTech]

Danil,

I'm just a bystander here but if you can cancel the ECM purchase I advise you to do so. Your problem is most likely the clutch disks you replaced.

My advice is follow the recommendations of "HondaTech." He is a genuine Honda dealership service department Honda technician.

Atleast that's what my boss says I am.

 

[Daniil]

The clutch pack itself has a set freeplay between the snap ring and the thick steel plate that sits at the top of the clutch pack. Honda was originally going to sell different end plates to set freeplay but decided to just sell the whole pack together.

That link is for car parts, they might work but id mutch rather have the correct stuff

this one freeplay I know, it should be 1.4-1.6mm and this is absolutely the same disks as original ones

 

[Daniil]

Danil,

I'm just a bystander here but if you can cancel the ECM purchase I advise you to do so. Your problem is most likely the clutch disks you replaced.

My advice is follow the recommendations of "HondaTech." He is a genuine Honda dealership service department Honda technician.

I will follow HondaTechs' recommendations, but we don't have a dealer center in our country

 

[CID]

fwiw: Daniil is in Lithuania and probably doesn't have the resources available that we do here.

 

[Daniil]

Danil,

I'm just a bystander here but if you can cancel the ECM purchase I advise you to do so. Your problem is most likely the clutch disks you replaced.

My advice is follow the recommendations of "HondaTech." He is a genuine Honda dealership service department Honda technician.

I have tried many many many ideas how to solve 83-? error, starting from new oil pressure sensors, ending by new wiring set, nothing helped, ECM the last idea

 

[Daniil]

fwiw: Daniil is in Lithuania and probably doesn't have the resources available that we do here.

yeah, because they even cannot give me any information about VIN code, because Talon is from US