P1000 Deluxe vs LE? Need some real world knowledge.

[Ghaniba]

Hey guys, first post here on this forum! I’m brandy-new to the side by side world. I’ve literally only driven my buddy’s can-am commander 800 around his yard, once. I will be picking up a Pioneer 1000-5 Deluxe this weekend (assuming all the parts show up this week!)

While I’m brand new to the side by side world, I’ve been building offroaders for years, mainly rock crawlers, etc. My latest build was a Land Rover LR3. This truck has a very similar system to what Honda is doing with the i-4wd system.

The reality is - the i-4WD system will be PERFECT for 95% of all use cases. It remains easy to steer and will effortlessly move through almost anything. They will not chew through brakes as the tire spinning in the air has no rolling resistance behind it— the brake force is drastically reduced to slow it down — it it does not even have to stop the tire to divert power to the non moving wheel. (If anyone would like a demo of this, I can post up a video of it in action from a couple years ago doing a demo of that system.)

The only downside reality of the i-4WD — it MUST spin before it will transfer power. That means it’s already GOING to lose traction first before kicking in. Any actual concern? No. Overall, the steering ease alone will be worthwhile.

Anyway. Why did I not buy the LE? The price jump between the two I was able to get many factory options that actually WILL make a world of difference.

Dave aka Ghan

 

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[Smitty335]

I haven’t bought a Buick just yet.

Boy I have talked about them a lot when I was young and drank too much! HA! You know, BUICK! That's what it always sounded like you were saying when you were puking! HA

 

[CumminsPusher]

Hey guys, first post here on this forum! I’m brandy-new to the side by side world. I’ve literally only driven my buddy’s can-am commander 800 around his yard, once. I will be picking up a Pioneer 1000-5 Deluxe this weekend (assuming all the parts show up this week!)

While I’m brand new to the side by side world, I’ve been building offroaders for years, mainly rock crawlers, etc. My latest build was a Land Rover LR3. This truck has a very similar system to what Honda is doing with the i-4wd system.

The reality is - the i-4WD system will be PERFECT for 95% of all use cases. It remains easy to steer and will effortlessly move through almost anything. They will not chew through brakes as the tire spinning in the air has no rolling resistance behind it— the brake force is drastically reduced to slow it down — it it does not even have to stop the tire to divert power to the non moving wheel. (If anyone would like a demo of this, I can post up a video of it in action from a couple years ago doing a demo of that system.)

The only downside reality of the i-4WD — it MUST spin before it will transfer power. That means it’s already GOING to lose traction first before kicking in. Any actual concern? No. Overall, the steering ease alone will be worthwhile.

Anyway. Why did I not buy the LE? The price jump between the two I was able to get many factory options that actually WILL make a world of difference.

Dave aka Ghan

Welcome to the forum! And congratulations on the soon to be new ride

 

[elkguide]

I haven’t bought a Buick just yet.

Glad that you were smart enough to include that caveat!

 

[Tramguage1]

Hey guys, first post here on this forum! I’m brandy-new to the side by side world. I’ve literally only driven my buddy’s can-am commander 800 around his yard, once. I will be picking up a Pioneer 1000-5 Deluxe this weekend (assuming all the parts show up this week!)

While I’m brand new to the side by side world, I’ve been building offroaders for years, mainly rock crawlers, etc. My latest build was a Land Rover LR3. This truck has a very similar system to what Honda is doing with the i-4wd system.

The reality is - the i-4WD system will be PERFECT for 95% of all use cases. It remains easy to steer and will effortlessly move through almost anything. They will not chew through brakes as the tire spinning in the air has no rolling resistance behind it— the brake force is drastically reduced to slow it down — it it does not even have to stop the tire to divert power to the non moving wheel. (If anyone would like a demo of this, I can post up a video of it in action from a couple years ago doing a demo of that system.)

The only downside reality of the i-4WD — it MUST spin before it will transfer power. That means it’s already GOING to lose traction first before kicking in. Any actual concern? No. Overall, the steering ease alone will be worthwhile.

Anyway. Why did I not buy the LE? The price jump between the two I was able to get many factory options that actually WILL make a world of difference.

Dave aka Ghan

Congratulations and welcome to the addiction from Central Texas
Please do start another thread and post that video. This group is very interested in how most anything works. We all really get along , it's just a big family here.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Congratulations and welcome to the addiction from Central Texas
Please do start another thread and post that video. This group is very interested in how most anything works. We all really get along , it's just a big family here.

I dysfunctional family but yes family.

 

[Tramguage1]

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I dysfunctional family but yes family.

All families are dysfunctional is some way. But when it comes down to it ,we would do whats need to help.

 

[Tigermark]

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All families are dysfunctional is some way. But when it comes down to it ,we would do whats need to help.

Thank you uncle Tram

 

[ButchersHook]

2014 700-4 to a 1000-5 deluxe to a 1000-3LE with I4wd. Different strokes for different folks, I dont rock climb or go "mudding" This past week with snow I put it in I4Wd and forgot about it. With the 1000-5 I never thought about locking the front. (unless your plowing). The I4wd is awesome for the everyday user.

However that F@[HASHTAG]#kin[/HASHTAG] "hill assist" button is USELESS.. When i get into my Pioneer EVERYDAY the first thing I push is the MT/AT button...So I can shift, and its the last button in a row of 3. I dont want "Lights" or "hill assist". I wanna shift this SOB. The ability to Shift this SxS is the reason I bought a Honda.;..

 

[Smitty335]

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All families are dysfunctional is some way. But when it comes down to it ,we would do whats need to help.

Foowie, I fan the flames, so you can get to the end quicker, HA!

 

[JACKAL]

Does it???

Yes both are larger and hold nearly 20% more fluid.

 

[JACKAL]

I completely agree... those guys talking s*** about the LE shouldn’t be so hard on those sensitive LE owners. I don’t know who starts this s***....

 

[CumminsPusher]

Yes both are larger and hold nearly 20% more fluid.

Are the gears larger or just the housing?

 

[JACKAL]

Are the gears larger or just the housing?

I haven't compared part numbers, but the larger differential housing primary function is that they hold the sensor for each axle to monitor rpm to determine when a wheel(s) are slipping one side to the other. If you look at them they are notably wider. Thus LE runs entirely different axle lengths. I doubt the planetary gear is any bigger / stronger. I replaced the entire rear differential in my 2016 P1K my god that planetary could double as a boat anchor, definitely over built. Mine had a seal go out and got ran contaminated, didn't like to sound it made, was easier to replace entire unit.

 

[CumminsPusher]

I haven't compared part numbers, but the larger differential housing primary function is that they hold the sensor for each axle to monitor rpm to determine when a wheel(s) are slipping one side to the other. If you look at them they are notably wider. Thus LE runs entirely different axle lengths. I doubt the planetary gear is any bigger / stronger. I replaced the entire rear differential in my 2016 P1K my god that planetary could double as a boat anchor, definitely over built. Mine had a seal go out and got ran contaminated, didn't like to sound it made, was easier to replace entire unit.

We don’t seem to hear of many problems with them other then water like you say. Extra fluid is definitely a good thing though

 

[Elkhunter]

2014 700-4 to a 1000-5 deluxe to a 1000-3LE with I4wd. Different strokes for different folks, I dont rock climb or go "mudding" This past week with snow I put it in I4Wd and forgot about it. With the 1000-5 I never thought about locking the front. (unless your plowing). The I4wd is awesome for the everyday user.

However that F@[HASHTAG]#kin[/HASHTAG] "hill assist" button is USELESS.. When i get into my Pioneer EVERYDAY the first thing I push is the MT/AT button...So I can shift, and its the last button in a row of 3. I dont want "Lights" or "hill assist". I wanna shift this SOB. The ability to Shift this SxS is the reason I bought a Honda.;..

I have a LE and thought the hill assist was worthless until I got out here in Arizona and started climbing some hills and mountains. I actually used it a few times. A couple of times I started climbing a hill and it was steeper than I thought and had it in 2wheel drive the back tires started to spin in loose rock. Simply pressed the hill assist on reach over and slap it in I-4WD and away you go. Another time I was following one of my buddies and he had trouble about 2/3 s of the way up a steep incline. I stopped halfway up waited and when ready used the hill assist. You can just slowly take off again without rolling backwards or spinning tires. So the morale of the story is I think it is of some use now but have to remember it’s there


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[sharp]

I have a LE and thought the hill assist was worthless until I got out here in Arizona and started climbing some hills and mountains. I actually used it a few times. A couple of times I started climbing a hill and it was steeper than I thought and had it in 2wheel drive the back tires started to spin in loose rock. Simply pressed the hill assist on reach over and slap it in I-4WD and away you go. Another time I was following one of my buddies and he had trouble about 2/3 s of the way up a steep incline. I stopped halfway up waited and when ready used the hill assist. You can just slowly take off again without rolling backwards or spinning tires. So the morale of the story is I think it is of some use now but have to remember it’s there


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Also it will help elimainate driving with 2 feet while stopped on a steep incline, but like you said you have to remember its there.

 

[BigOL3]

I have a LE and thought the hill assist was worthless until I got out here in Arizona and started climbing some hills and mountains. I actually used it a few times. A couple of times I started climbing a hill and it was steeper than I thought and had it in 2wheel drive the back tires started to spin in loose rock. Simply pressed the hill assist on reach over and slap it in I-4WD and away you go. Another time I was following one of my buddies and he had trouble about 2/3 s of the way up a steep incline. I stopped halfway up waited and when ready used the hill assist. You can just slowly take off again without rolling backwards or spinning tires. So the morale of the story is I think it is of some use now but have to remember it’s there


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Sounds like pressing the brake pedal amounts to the same thing ...... lol