How does Polaris own 41% of the market?

[JACKAL]

Hey, if Honda would give the SXS Sport segment the same attention / performance / relative price as they do this machine:View attachment 86695

People would buy 5x as many of those SXS as they sell of the above model. Until then, if the Buick fits, drive it.

Or even this, Honda isn't SXS competitive because it CHOSE not to be, case in point, Honda's Lamborghini of the superbikes:

Hey it's only money.

So that being said, show us a sport SXS "Only Honda could build" Instead of these:

 

[BeerMonkey]

 

[JTW]

Or even this, Honda isn't SXS competitive because it CHOSE not to be, case in point, Honda's Lamborghini of the superbikes:
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Hey it's only money.

So that being said, show us a sport SXS "Only Honda could build" Instead of these:
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Ain’t that the truth! Lol

 

[Bastardchild]

John Deere gets 12%? That sounds wrong. You never see one. They must get sold to people that leave them on farms or something.

 

[popeye]

John Deere gets 12%? That sounds wrong. You never see one. They must get sold to people that leave them on farms or something.

My employer has 4 JD, and only 2 Polaris


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[DG Rider]

John Deere gets 12%? That sounds wrong. You never see one. They must get sold to people that leave them on farms or something.

Mostly worksite/farm usage.

 

[DG Rider]

Or even this, Honda isn't SXS competitive because it CHOSE not to be, case in point, Honda's Lamborghini of the superbikes:
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Hey it's only money.

So that being said, show us a sport SXS "Only Honda could build" Instead of these:
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Ok...so I would ask why Honda would choose NOT to be competitive in such a lucrative market?

 

[BeerMonkey]

Something to also think about is polaris has government contracts

Polaris Government & Defense: Military Vehicles - LTATVs

 

[Bastardchild]

Ok...so I would ask why Honda would choose NOT to be competitive in such a lucrative market?

Suzuki also. It would be neat to see a Suzuki sxs.

 

[DG Rider]

Suzuki also. It would be neat to see a Suzuki sxs.

I would too.
But...I can understand Suzuki to a small degree with their financial situation, while also pointing out that this segment is where they would make tons of money.

Drop the KQ engine into a 58-60" sport/ute machine and it would sell (prob to me, to be honest). Suzuki, to me, usually offers the most bang for the buck.

 

[JACKAL]

Ok...so I would ask why Honda would choose NOT to be competitive in such a lucrative market?

Short answer lawyers, government, rate of return on investment.

Long answer. Well from a monetary perspective investment for a production facility to manufacture a dozen sport models SXS would be 100M at least, but for zero investment they can crank out a million scooters a year each in India and China for a couple hundred profit per unit. Not having to worry about the CSPC and another ATC debacle thanks to lawsuits and 60 minutes. Today's history lesson complete.

 

[CumminsPusher]

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Sorry buddy. It’s not our fault you’re a damn cool guy that happens to own Popo. But everyone has faults, I think mine was parking the p1k too close to our Polaris, dang viruses. Even tried a Honda key as an antibiotic but all that that did was turn easier.

 

[DG Rider]

Short answer lawyers, government, rate of return on investment.

Long answer. Well from a monetary perspective investment for a production facility to manufacture a dozen sport modelsxSXS would be 100M at least, but for zero investment they can crank out a million scooters a year each in India and China for a couple hundred profit per unit. Not having to worry about the CSPC and another ATC debacle thanks to lawsuits and 60 minutes. Today's history lesson complete.

Well...I lived through the Consent decree, so it was more of a reminiscing.
Yamaha was also a part of that. Yamaha also has lawyers (as does everyone else). Yamaha also has a badass pure sport machine.
Honda living in the past won't help them eclipse Polaris in market share.

 

[JACKAL]

Well...I lived through the Consent decree, so it was more of a reminiscing.
Yamaha was also a part of that. Yamaha also has lawyers (as does everyone else). Yamaha also has a badass pure sport machine.
Honda living in the past won't help them eclipse Polaris in market share.

I can't disagree. Can only hope things ramp up for them and leapfrog the past missed decade of sport utv advances.

 

[Deleted member 3748]

I’m surprised Yamaha isn’t higher... as for Polaris being on top.....
Power, suspension, options and financing!

It may be a regional thing. I see a lot more Yamahas around than Hondas for sure, especially the YXZs. I hardly ever see a John Deere but I'm also hardly ever on a farm.

 

[swsebek]

Well...I lived through the Consent decree, so it was more of a reminiscing.
Yamaha was also a part of that. Yamaha also has lawyers (as does everyone else). Yamaha also has a badass pure sport machine.
Honda living in the past won't help them eclipse Polaris in market share.

I think me and you went over this a while back And I guess when the 700 came out I really thought Honda would steam roll these last few years.I thought they would own the market by 2020 Is what I said. But I'm afraid you were all too correct. I guessed I just wished they would

 

[DG Rider]

I think me and you went over this a while back And I guess when the 700 came out I really thought Honda would steam roll these last few years.I thought they would own the market by 2020 Is what I said. But I'm afraid you were all too correct. I guessed I just wished they would

LOL...well, for both you and @JACKAL, I think the 1000 was/is a good sign. It's way more ballsey than I ever expected from Honda.

 

[Deleted member 3748]

I hope Honda can make some market share gains but they are so far behind. Vivid Racing has an upgrade kit for the X3 that takes it to 235 hp. It's a serious upgrade but it will be double the hp of the Talon.

 

[DG Rider]

My gut feeling ( which could be taco Bell ) is that the Talon...if it exists, will be closer to a RZR900 S than any hyper turbo-thingy machine out now. Even in sport bikes, it's been years since Honda played HP wars, and I don't think they have to here to get a huge chunk of the market. My .02.

 

[Deleted member 3748]

My gut feeling ( which could be taco Bell ) is that the Talon...if it exists, will be closer to a RZR900 S than any hyper turbo-thingy machine out now. Even in sport bikes, it's been years since Honda played HP wars, and I don't think they have to here to get a huge chunk of the market. My .02.

The Talon, if it is around 100 hp, will be in the market of the Maverick Sport. That is my market. But if they want the big market they need to attract the sport bike market where hp is king and is why Polaris owns 41% They attract the less-knowledgeable performance minded sort.