P1000m5 The Rebuild And Life Of "clutch".

CumminsPusher submitted a new Garage Item:

The Build And Life Of "clutch".

Build number 4 on a Pioneer starts now. Been a long road but no one can say I don't bleed red.
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[CumminsPusher]

This s*** is gunna get expensive when you get drunk and tear them up too!

Boy you’d spit out 4 axles and both drive shafts instantly with this amount of traction!

 

[JTW]

Boy you’d spit out 4 axles and both drive shafts instantly with this amount of traction!

Awwww... that’s what insurance is for.. right?

 

[CumminsPusher]

Wife and I were talking last night and one thing at a time but once a few expenses fall off possibly next Spring we will be looking seriously for this except want a canoe on top. Need shorter tongue though.
We pulled a pop up with our original P700 but that was a little slow going. I’d like to be able to just check out. We don’t need anything fancy just a place to sleep on whatever trail we decide. Us all day long.

 

[ohanacreek]

Wife and I were talking last night and one thing at a time but once a few expenses fall off possibly next Spring we will be looking seriously for this except want a canoe on top. Need shorter tongue though.
We pulled a pop up with our original P700 but that was a little slow going. I’d like to be able to just check out. We don’t need anything fancy just a place to sleep on whatever trail we decide. Us all day long.
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Build a storage box with a rooftop tent.

WAY lighter than 1500#, probably closer to 600 you can do it, you built clutch basket. CHEAPER too.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Build a storage box with a rooftop tent.

WAY lighter than 1500#, probably closer to 600 you can do it, you built clutch basket. CHEAPER too.

It’s actually 1500 pound capacity. I think it sits about 1k. Ya you have point. Have thought about building something mainly because I’d rather independent suspension. I wish I had the tools to do aluminum correctly but material cost has gone up so much I don’t think you could build something without starting with some sort of trailer for cost. Got some time to think and you might be right, other then I don’t like the pop up tents at all, a pain and too much to go wrong plus they aren’t secure. Do me a favor and keep your eyes open for ideas

 

[ohanacreek]

It’s actually 1500 pound capacity. I think it sits about 1k. Ya you have point. Have thought about building something mainly because I’d rather independent suspension. I wish I had the tools to do aluminum correctly but material cost has gone up so much I don’t think you could build something without starting with some sort of trailer for cost. Got some time to think and you might be right, other then I don’t like the pop up tents at all, a pain and too much to go wrong plus they aren’t secure

My daughter is starting to ride around with me more and in an effort to keep her entertained I’ve started to bring my friends and their kids along. We’ve made it about 5hours on the trial run, before the under 5’s we’re ready to go.

5up means no room for anything.

I’ve got factory tires wheels, full set of factory shocks (load leveling so I can get creative) and a stack of steel, this winter I’m making a very light trail trailer to carry a cooler and a little bit of stuff, that has a trailing arm suspension and a DIY 3-axis hitch.

With paint, argon, electricity, and filler rods should cost less than $100.

 

[CumminsPusher]

My daughter is starting to ride around with me more and in an effort to keep her entertained I’ve started to bring my friends and their kids along. We’ve made it about 5hours on the trial run, before the under 5’s we’re ready to go.

5up means no room for anything.

I’ve got factory tires wheels, full set of factory shocks (load leveling so I can get creative) and a stack of steel, this winter I’m making a very light trail trailer to carry a cooler and a little bit of stuff, that has a trailing arm suspension and a DIY 3-axis hitch.

With paint, argon, electricity, and filler rods should cost less than $100.

Man that’s awesome to hear! Bringing family in adds so much and that’s something she’ll never forget. My daughter has been by our side since 4mts in the woods. I love riding with the guys on occasion but I wouldn’t ever give up riding with the family and choose that 95% of the time. It’s even better it you can get multiple families involved there’s just that much more to do. I wouldn’t have bought a Pioneer 1000 if it was just me.
A trailer adds a whole different level where you can be loaded and still carry what’s needed. In the past we’ve just made camp and took off but we want to just take off then make camp. Sounds like what you’re trying to do

 

[ohanacreek]

Man that’s awesome to hear! Bringing family in adds so much and that’s something she’ll never forget. My daughter has been by our side since 4mts in the woods. I love riding with the guys on occasion but I wouldn’t ever give up riding with the family and choose that 95% of the time. It’s even better it you can get multiple families involved there’s just that much more to do. I wouldn’t have bought a Pioneer 1000 if it was just me.
A trailer adds a whole different level where you can be loaded and still carry what’s needed. In the past we’ve just made camp and took off but we want to just take off then make camp. Sounds like what you’re trying to do

Maybe later, right now just trying to carry food and sundries for 5 for a day of riding. Adding that much on top of passengers to the Fox has the rear squatting if I put it on a hitch carrier and it finds every rock and pebble on the trail with the rear skid.

Swapping back to the factory load leveling isn’t a quick task. So figured I could make a small trailer just for that. I have enough HDPE I could even make a mostly rain/splash/mud tight box with a big drawer if I chose to spend some money on HD slides.

Haven’t ironed out details yet.

Still back of the napkin at this point.

 

[Neohio]

Maybe later, right now just trying to carry food and sundries for 5 for a day of riding. Adding that much on top of passengers to the Fox has the rear squatting if I put it on a hitch carrier and it finds every rock and pebble on the trail with the rear skid.

Swapping back to the factory load leveling isn’t a quick task. So figured I could make a small trailer just for that. I have enough HDPE I could even make a mostly rain/splash/mud tight box with a big drawer if I chose to spend some money on HD slides.

Haven’t ironed out details yet.

Still back of the napkin at this point.

wwhardware.com will have some of the cheapest drawer slides you will ever come across. You don't need to be in the trade to purchase from them either.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Maybe later, right now just trying to carry food and sundries for 5 for a day of riding. Adding that much on top of passengers to the Fox has the rear squatting if I put it on a hitch carrier and it finds every rock and pebble on the trail with the rear skid.

Swapping back to the factory load leveling isn’t a quick task. So figured I could make a small trailer just for that. I have enough HDPE I could even make a mostly rain/splash/mud tight box with a big drawer if I chose to spend some money on HD slides.

Haven’t ironed out details yet.

Still back of the napkin at this point.

Full day of riding isn’t too bad at all. Just build a rack that sits past the tailgate while open rather then a fold down. Gives over 3 ft behind the seats with gate down and would get into more then a trailer.

 

[ohanacreek]

Full day of riding isn’t too bad at all. Just build a rack that sits past the tailgate while open rather then a fold down. Gives over 3 ft behind the seats with gate down and would get into more then a trailer.

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I tried full-size cooler, drinks, food, stuff for the kids, without me in it on level ground the axles were beyond horizontal and angled UP to the hubs. Since I have pre-production models, I am about to try a single spring setup on the fox, that may change the carry capacity but keeping my options open. I'd rather NOT have a trailer. Its something else to build maintain and store, but if it keeps my kid(s) and friends on the trails with me , so be it.

 

[CumminsPusher]

I tried full-size cooler, drinks, food, stuff for the kids, without me in it on level ground the axles were beyond horizontal and angled UP to the hubs. Since I have pre-production models, I am about to try a single spring setup on the fox, that may change the carry capacity but keeping my options open. I'd rather NOT have a trailer. Its something else to build maintain and store, but if it keeps my kid(s) and friends on the trails with me , so be it.

We’ve had over 400 pounds of people in ours but that wasn’t fun to drive. I’d say 150-200 was doable. Our cooler full is that and it’s fine. Load cooler up against seats and light stuff out back.

 

[ohanacreek]

We’ve had over 400 pounds of people in ours but that wasn’t fun to drive. I’d say 150-200 was doable. Our cooler full is that and it’s fine. Load cooler up against seats and light stuff out back.

Full seats and and Orca 75 cooler pushes it beyond what I want weight wise that far back. Handles like crap, slaps its tailend on everything. The rear winch and full rear doors don't help thats an additional 100lbs right there, add in (2) 20-25lb carseats and (2)40-50lbs kids with a 150lbs cooler. its a lot of 300-400lbs of weight without the load leveling and most of it is beyond the rear frame rails so its all on the rear suspension. I figure Ill have a 400lb trailer loaded cooler will be ⅓ of the overall weight if I don't do a drawer, Ill throw a pair of the worn down 30's off machine on there in 6months or so and it ought to roll over stuff a little easier.

I am hoping the different springs will make a difference, just have to see, if the rear shocks were a 10min swap Id just put the load leveling on but its a pain to swap them out.

 

[GlockMeister]

Full seats and and Orca 75 cooler pushes it beyond what I want weight wise that far back. Handles like crap, slaps its tailend on everything. The rear winch and full rear doors don't help thats an additional 100lbs right there, add in (2) 20-25lb carseats and (2)40-50lbs kids with a 150lbs cooler. its a lot of 300-400lbs of weight without the load leveling and most of it is beyond the rear frame rails so its all on the rear suspension. I figure Ill have a 400lb trailer loaded cooler will be ⅓ of the overall weight if I don't do a drawer, Ill throw a pair of the worn down 30's off machine on there in 6months or so and it ought to roll over stuff a little easier.

I am hoping the different springs will make a difference, just have to see, if the rear shocks were a 10min swap Id just put the load leveling on but its a pain to swap them out.

Someone need to design an airbag suspension..of course air bags and articulation dont always jive

 

[Smitty335]

Full seats and and Orca 75 cooler pushes it beyond what I want weight wise that far back. Handles like crap, slaps its tailend on everything. The rear winch and full rear doors don't help thats an additional 100lbs right there, add in (2) 20-25lb carseats and (2)40-50lbs kids with a 150lbs cooler. its a lot of 300-400lbs of weight without the load leveling and most of it is beyond the rear frame rails so its all on the rear suspension. I figure Ill have a 400lb trailer loaded cooler will be ⅓ of the overall weight if I don't do a drawer, Ill throw a pair of the worn down 30's off machine on there in 6months or so and it ought to roll over stuff a little easier.

I am hoping the different springs will make a difference, just have to see, if the rear shocks were a 10min swap Id just put the load leveling on but its a pain to swap them out.

If I'm carrying that kind of weight, I'm usually crawling a long with a load of camp fire wood.

 

[ohanacreek]

Someone need to design an airbag suspension..of course air bags and articulation dont always jive

Bengels New Unique air bagged Trailing Arms...

 

[BWAF]

Someone need to design an airbag suspension..of course air bags and articulation dont always jive

I was thinking some kind of air bag on stabilizer bar just as helper my self ! Anyone else had trouble with tapatalk or getting notifications today

 

[GlockMeister]

Bengels New Unique air bagged Trailing Arms...

Interesting ...

 

[ohanacreek]

wwhardware.com will have some of the cheapest drawer slides you will ever come across. You don't need to be in the trade to purchase from them either.

Yeah $250+ for a set is why I PROBABLY won't make a drawer.

KV 8900 Extra Heavy Duty 500 lb Full Extension Slide

 

[CumminsPusher]

Got some more speaker housings today. Really working hard to drop upper cage weight but finding it tough for speaker placement. Pulling down our 2 upper Jeep 6 speaker bars seriously drops weight but kills off great placement. Not ready to get rid of our 4-6.5 Infinity’s but the 8 tweeters can easily find lower placement.
Ordered the SSV Works floor mount enclosures but they just sucked up too much space on the footrest I so like so they went back.
As we all know options are minimal in the 1000. Back doors can accept 6.5 low down but loose a lot of quality muffled by passengers and will loose everything with rear seats down. Placement behind rear seats is crap and front of box restricts seat or bed use.

So...s*** back up top. We never take roof off because it’s important to rub trees even hot out so these will be perm mount to the roof in optimum placement. These pods are as light and small as I could find for a real sized speaker. It’s a pretty good weight saver and still much lighter then aluminum all in one bar. We run a big Boss bar in the Yami but upper weight isn’t a concern in that. Pissed I’m back up top with weight but it did drop a little and sound quality is still premium. Will use insulation in the housings to increase quality but these do have more airspace then prior.