First diesel purchase

[Outacntrl]

I had a Cummins once... It was a 2013 and the biggest POS I've ever had. Left me on the side of the road more than a dozen times. The last straw was when it ingested a grid heater bolt and needed a new engine. I now own a 6.7 PS F450 and love it. Get's about 10mpg grossing just shy of 27k.

 

[fsk1290]

Nah. They are now pretty solid for the masses. Had I thought the machine wasn’t better then the early fixable issues I wouldn’t have bought a third.But it sure pissed me off in the beginning when Honda denied these issues and had the audacity to call me up and tell me I was at fault and to s*** up on the site about it. Lmao I’ll say good or bad about something even if it’s mine. But they did finally take care of these along with a few other things. No real worries go out there and ride.

Awesome. Thanks for your help sir.

 

[bigshoe]

The def delete done right normally doesn't cause any problems on gm and Ford. If I personally bought a diesel I wouldn't touch anything. But I see the damage they do all the time. I was headed to my buddies shop to get a pic of what happens to a 18 duramax with a tune made a thousand miles away . Cracked 2 pistons and bent the valves how this happened nobody knows. But I got called out to work so he's gonna have to set the cab back down himself

 

[fsk1290]

The def delete done right normally doesn't cause any problems on gm and Ford. If I personally bought a diesel I wouldn't touch anything. But I see the damage they do all the time. I was headed to my buddies shop to get a pic of what happens to a 18 duramax with a tune made a thousand miles away . Cracked 2 pistons and bent the valves how this happened nobody knows. But I got called out to work so he's gonna have to set the cab back down himself

I got a 17 F250 6.7....... all my reading people say to delete delete delete. I'm over here like "my truck runs great, it's fast as hell and it's beautiful". I'm too scared to delete.

 

[bigshoe]

On mpg people to tend to exacerbate how much they get. a guy i ride with swore his ecobooste would out pull me and get better mpg, he dam sure didn't out run me and we got the same 11.5 mpg. major difference my trail boss sounds like America when it starts up, his sounds like a old lady farting under the blankets.

 

[Montecresto]

One was the water intake issue, back then driving around behind your kids on dirt bikes around puddles was a no go. Hydrolocked the engine after it sucked up a gallon of water from the lower intake tract. They had issue of bringing small amounts of water from the tires on puddles till it filled up the tube and inhaled everything at once. Honda has updated.
The second machine had massive clutch issues from day one, was in and out of that transmission over a dozen times. It finally died from ingesting dirt into the cylinder through a loose intake hose from the assembly line. Both these issues Honda has since addressed. Still in a ‘16 with with both factory and aftermarket upgrades, it’s doing well when it stays on on the tires lol There were other mishaps but all mine were able to be repaired.

Btw, do you know why there’s a preheat on my Dodge and not my Ford?

 

[Outacntrl]

Btw, do you know why there’s a preheat on my Dodge and not my Ford?

The Ford has glow plugs and Cummins uses a grid heater. They both will preheat depending upon temperature. The Ford is very quick and you'll miss it if your not looking for it.

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[Montecresto]

The Ford has glow plugs and Cummins uses a grid heater. They both will preheat depending upon temperature. The Ford is very quick and you'll miss it if your not looking for it.

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Oh ok, I was just curious...Thanks.

 

[Robobrainiac]

I filled up this morning and I had over 300 miles on it and averaged 17.94. The overhead was reset almost 500 miles ago and it claims 21.5 :/ that is a big difference.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Oh ok, I was just curious...Thanks.

If it’s really cold there will be more delay to the Ford start it’ll be more noticeable.

 

[Montecresto]

If it’s really cold there will be more delay to the Ford start it’ll be more noticeable.

I’m going to pay attention to that next time it’s real cold. So far, I hadn’t noticed it. On the Dodge, if it’s just mildly cold, say 40, I’ll push start and a message arrives- preheat in process- with a timer counting down from 20 seconds...

 

[CumminsPusher]

I’m going to pay attention to that next time it’s real cold. So far, I hadn’t noticed it. On the Dodge, if it’s just mildly cold, say 40, I’ll push start and a message arrives- preheat in process- with a timer counting down from 20 seconds...

The newer Ford system is fast. It’s easier to get direct heat into the cylinder with glow plugs. But the Cummins grid heater is far more problem free.

 

[Outacntrl]

The newer Ford system is fast. It’s easier to get direct heat into the cylinder with glow plugs. But the Cummins grid heater is far more problem free.

Each system has it's pros and cons but I wouldn't go as far to say the grid heater is far more problem free than glow plugs, definitely not more efficient. The Cummins grid heater pulls 200A. That is brutal on an electrical system and batteries in the dead of winter when it's needed the most. The grid heater in my 2013 Ram failed and destroyed the engine. It melted the stud off the inside of the heater and the remaining part of the stud found it's resting place on the top of a piston.

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[Alan aka Davinci]

The newer Ford system is fast. It’s easier to get direct heat into the cylinder with glow plugs. But the Cummins grid heater is far more problem free.

In my Super Duty, I turn on the ignition, the seat moves to my driving position, I buckle my seat belt and by then the GP's are on line and I start it.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Each system has it's pros and cons but I wouldn't go as far to say the grid heater is far more problem free than glow plugs, definitely not more efficient. The Cummins grid heater pulls 200A. That is brutal on an electrical system and batteries in the dead of winter when it's needed the most. The grid heater in my 2013 Ram failed and destroyed the engine. It melted the stud off the inside of the heater and the remaining part of the stud found it's resting place on the top of a piston.

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I’d take a grid heater over glow plugs any day. Much less to go wrong, glow plugs aren’t exactly known for dependability. It’s a no brainer.

 

[Outacntrl]

I’d take a grid heater over glow plugs any day. It’s a no brainer

So would I until it cost me 10k. At least I have a cool paperweight now. Maybe I'll change my thinking again if my Powerstroke ever eats a glow plug tip and cost me an engine.

Edit: CP out of curiosity and honest question. Why do you not like glow plugs?

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[CumminsPusher]

So would I until it cost me 10k. At least I have a cool paperweight now. Maybe I'll change my thinking again if my Powerstroke ever eats a glow plug tip and cost me an engine.

Edit: CP out of curiosity and honest question. Why do you not like glow plugs?View attachment 236268

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FAR less instances of a grid heater issue. I’ve never known anyone to have an issue much less have to change one out. Glow plus are recommended every 100k, I’ve got 400k,375k,,265k,260k,250k respectively all around 30yrs old with original equipment. Those are what I currently own but have owned many others, family and friends have owned a ton more again without even changing one out. Nearly everyone I know in a slightly older Ford has had to dick with the damn things.
Just changing a glow plug out can be a serious problem, usually seized in, sometimes just taking one out can break apart and fall into the engine. Powerstroke and Duramax both have very common catastrophic issues with them.
I like s*** that lasts. That’s why I buy what I buy. For me the glowplug vs. grid heater is like the inline-6 vs. v8 conversation, yes either can have a problem but one has drastically more at more repair cost.

 

[Smitty335]

FAR less instances of a grid heater issue. I’ve never known anyone to have an issue much less have to change one out. Glow plus are recommended every 100k, I’ve got 400k,375k,,265k,260k,250k respectively all around 30yrs old with original equipment. Those are what I own but have owned many others, family have owned a ton again without even changing one out.
Just changing a glow plug out can be a serious problem, usually seized in, sometimes just taking one out can break apart and fall into the engine. Powerstroke and Duramax both have very common catastrophic issues with them.
I like s*** that lasts. That’s why I buy what I buy. For me the glowplug vs. grid heater is like the inline-6 vs. v8 conversation, yes either can have a problem but one has drastically more at more repair cost.

No comment, I have been told I'm unqualified to discuss diesel engines.🙃

 

[CumminsPusher]

No comment, I have been told I'm unqualified to discuss diesel engines.🙃

I can tell you not to worry too much about the grid heater

 

[Alan aka Davinci]

No comment, I have been told I'm unqualified to discuss diesel engines.🙃

Your certainly unqualified @Smitty335 but diesel engines have nothing to do with it.