P1000 Fuel in the exhaust

[Fordpickupjaybird2003]

I would not be happy with the airbox problem. Without a thorough inspection, you have no idea how much damage was done. If your dealer is competent, I would demand a rebuild.

Yep. Unfortunately that’s a factory f*** up. I’m calling them next week but I can almost guarantee it will go nowhere.

 

[Admin]

 

[Fordpickupjaybird2003]

I'm more of an optimist - he only has 300 miles, the displaced gasket is only going to allow a 'tiny bit' of very small dust to get past it and it ran fine before sitting 'too long'. Sand granules was worst case and unlikely.

Yea me too. Seems like I would have had something leading up to that. The last ride I can’t recall anything acting funny. I’m going out now to do my last testing on it before I haul it into a mechanic.

 

[JMynes]

These commercials haven’t been on the air in a while. Probably not PC…

 

[Fordpickupjaybird2003]

This is a pic from my Talon manual but the Pioneer is 'about' the same. #2 (two of them) are pointing to the fuel injector connectors and where some wires were breaking inside the insulation - this is where you want to push the wires together, you're trying to make contact if the copper is broken inside. Can someone say if and when Honda fixed this problem, is it still happening? (We're trouble shooting a 2021 P1K with 300 miles) OP - they live between the throttle bodies and valve cover. #4 is the fuel injector assembly.

Thanks for letting us know you're quitting for the night.

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Thanks for the help guys. I’m done and throwing in the towel. It’s going into the shop Tuesday. I’ll keep u posted.

 

[Neohio]

Grab a few bottles of heet or other gas line antifreeze.
Disconnect fuel line to engine. Let about a gallon of fresh fuel cycle thru the lines.
Then fire it up and get to operating temp.

These are known for bad injector wiring, and in a few cases the PGM-FI goes south.

 

[Fordpickupjaybird2003]

Grab a few bottles of heet or other gas line antifreeze.
Disconnect fuel line to engine. Let about a gallon of fresh fuel cycle thru the lines.
Then fire it up and get to operating temp.

These are known for bad injector wiring, and in a few cases the PGM-FI goes south.

I did put a half a bottle in the tank with about 2 gals of fresh gas. Your saying just pull the line off the top of the fuel
Tank and pour the heet in the lines and raise the line as high as I can? I didn’t try wiggling the injector wires but I think from the fuel out of the tail pipe it’s getting too much and flooding.
I will have to look up what this pgm-fl is.

that’s the fuel that turned the snow yellow and then the obvious on the floor and box.

 

[Jerryg]

I did put a half a bottle in the tank with about 2 gals of fresh gas. Your saying just pull the line off the top of the fuel
Tank and pour the heet in the lines and raise the line as high as I can? I didn’t try wiggling the injector wires but I think from the fuel out of the tail pipe it’s getting too much and flooding.
I will have to look up what this pgm-fl is.

that’s the fuel that turned the snow yellow and then the obvious on the floor and box.

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Can it be diesel? Or kerosene?

 

[Fordpickupjaybird2003]

Can it be diesel? Or kerosene?

Absolutely not. No diesel or kerosene in that.

 

[Jerryg]

I did put a half a bottle in the tank with about 2 gals of fresh gas. Your saying just pull the line off the top of the fuel
Tank and pour the heet in the lines and raise the line as high as I can? I didn’t try wiggling the injector wires but I think from the fuel out of the tail pipe it’s getting too much and flooding.
I will have to look up what this pgm-fl is.

that’s the fuel that turned the snow yellow and then the obvious on the floor and box.

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Will it light on fire if you put a match on it?

 

[Fordpickupjaybird2003]

Will it light on fire if you put a match on it?

Actually I told my dad that I was gonna roll
It down the driveway, fill the throttle body full of gas and hit it with a torch.
Haha. It crossed my mind twice.

 

[Fordpickupjaybird2003]

Will it light on fire if you put a match on it?

To answer your question seriously
though the plug reeks of fuel and was wet so I was honestly scared of hitting it with a torch and burning the damn thing up “.

 

[Jerryg]

To answer your question seriously
though the plug reeks of fuel and was wet so I was honestly scared of hitting it with a torch and burning the damn thing up “.

Put a little in a cup, maybe the gas station gave you s***ty fuel. I have seen it more than once in my lifetime.

 

[Smitty335]

Put a little in a cup, maybe the gas station gave you s***ty fuel. I have seen it more than once in my lifetime.

Still doesn't explain why one cylinder fires and the other is a dud? I going with electrical or bad injector?

 

[Fordpickupjaybird2003]

Put a little in a cup, maybe the gas station gave you s***ty fuel. I have seen it more than once in my lifetime.

Take a little in a cup. Pour it into the spark plug hole. Put the plug back in and then try to start it?

 

[Fordpickupjaybird2003]

Still doesn't explain why one cylinder fires and the other is a dud?

That’s what I don’t get. Why one is going and the other isn’t. Unless somehow that injector still has water trapped in it.

 

[Smitty335]

That’s what I don’t get. Why one is going and the other isn’t. Unless somehow that injector still has water trapped in it.

I've never researched how to test an injector. If your getting that much fuel through that injector, I would say no to trapped water. Have you really looked very close to the wiring? Where do you store it? I have a couple of Black Snakes that I let winter in my shop, pretty well take care of rodents.

 

[Jerryg]

I thought the extra fuel is coming out of the exhaust unburned?

If that is the case, the injector is not the problem.

Are you are getting backfiring, it could be a timing issue.

 

[Fordpickupjaybird2003]

I've never researched how to test an injector. If your getting that much fuel through that injector, I would say no to trapped water. Have you really looked very close to the wiring? Where do you store it? I have a couple of Black Snakes that I let winter in my shop, pretty well take care of rodents.

Yes that’s my guess too. Yes can’t find anything up in the hood or around the motor. Didn’t check for anything over the skid plates however one sides working and running the machine and the other injector is pumping fuel so that’s telling me it has power. It’s just not possibly turning off or maybe the cylinder has lost compression. I store it in my garage with the hood off and bed raised.

 

[Fordpickupjaybird2003]

I thought the extra fuel is coming out of the exhaust unburned?

If that is the case, the injector is not the problem.

Are you are getting backfiring, it could be a timing issue.

Yes the unburned gas is coming out of the exhaust. No doubt about that. If the injector is the problem it would be that it’s stuck.

I haven’t ran it for a long period more than 2-3 min because I’m afraid I’m gonna cause internal damage on the machine. During that time there is no backfiring.

 

[Smitty335]

I thought the extra fuel is coming out of the exhaust unburned?

If that is the case, the injector is not the problem.

Are you are getting backfiring, it could be a timing issue.

300 miles? I guess it's not out of the possibility.