highpocket74
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Man, I missed a lot of discussion this weekend!
I'm going to throw my 2 cents into the arena to defend my pre-filter kit.
1. The BVC is a great idea and I like it. The problem is that if you don't relocate the spot where the intake captures air from OUTSIDE of the fender area, you're still grabbing very dirty air.
2. The UNI idea running backwards is a bad idea. They weren't designed for that. Sure, your primary filter will stay clean but your creating a huge restriction on the intake when the UNI gets dirty.
3. My first design attempt was to avoid cutting any holes in the Honda plastic. The first intake route was through the side grate. That idea created a very complex tube with many bends plus required offering a replacement grate (because the OEM would have to be cut). With all those pieces of the puzzle the cost would have been higher than what I wanted. So I bit the bullet and cut a hole in my own fender to figure this out! I didn't want to cut a hole either but the result was a tube routing that's much shorter, simpler and easier to produce and the pre-fiter takes seconds to change. With my tube you can run whatever 3" filter you want to. I use Desertcraft because it's washable and doesn't increase restriction as proven on a dyno. Many discussions with Desertcraft led to this filter choice. No one I talked to was in favor of adding the restriction of a second primary filter. Just a side note, this Desertcraft filter with only one layer of filter media is equivalent to a K&N filter according to filtration test results by Desertcraft. The Desertcraft primary filters have three layers of syntheic, washable media. The Desertcraft is also a dry media so in the field you can shake the dirt off if needed and continue on.
While designing this intake kit, I realized that not everyone was interested in cutting a hole in brand new plastic. The idea behind the cover plate served two functions. One was to provide support to the tube, the second was to make the kit not look like a scabbed on after thought. Second, I was after a clean look that wasn't so noticeable and have matched as close as possible the OEM Honda colors. Also this plate would cover a severely mangled hole cut! I supply a template with the kit so the hole location is a no brainer.
I spent a lot of time designing this tube starting from the point where I thought was best to penetrate the fender and only cut ONE piece of plastic and working backwards toward the air box. This is not a simple 90 bend! There is a rolling offset that required me building jigs for fabrication to get this right every time.
There are endless opinions out there with limited solutions for these Talons. Run what you want to. I designed this kit and it works according to the 120+/- people that have purchased the kits to date, not even counting tube only purchases.
Particle separators are nice, but insanely bulky. And you have to realize these devices work on air velocity. If you're putt putting around a lot they will not be as effective. They HAVE to design these for max RPM and air flow to not create a restriction.
As for noise, I can't do much for that. Talon's aren't the quietest machines anyway. Surprising that the Polaris ACE 900 that both my daughters ride is MUCH quieter than Talon and your sitting RIGHT in front of the engine!
If you're interested in a dirty air solution, I'll be glad to help you out.
10-80dirtsports.com
I'm going to throw my 2 cents into the arena to defend my pre-filter kit.
1. The BVC is a great idea and I like it. The problem is that if you don't relocate the spot where the intake captures air from OUTSIDE of the fender area, you're still grabbing very dirty air.
2. The UNI idea running backwards is a bad idea. They weren't designed for that. Sure, your primary filter will stay clean but your creating a huge restriction on the intake when the UNI gets dirty.
3. My first design attempt was to avoid cutting any holes in the Honda plastic. The first intake route was through the side grate. That idea created a very complex tube with many bends plus required offering a replacement grate (because the OEM would have to be cut). With all those pieces of the puzzle the cost would have been higher than what I wanted. So I bit the bullet and cut a hole in my own fender to figure this out! I didn't want to cut a hole either but the result was a tube routing that's much shorter, simpler and easier to produce and the pre-fiter takes seconds to change. With my tube you can run whatever 3" filter you want to. I use Desertcraft because it's washable and doesn't increase restriction as proven on a dyno. Many discussions with Desertcraft led to this filter choice. No one I talked to was in favor of adding the restriction of a second primary filter. Just a side note, this Desertcraft filter with only one layer of filter media is equivalent to a K&N filter according to filtration test results by Desertcraft. The Desertcraft primary filters have three layers of syntheic, washable media. The Desertcraft is also a dry media so in the field you can shake the dirt off if needed and continue on.
While designing this intake kit, I realized that not everyone was interested in cutting a hole in brand new plastic. The idea behind the cover plate served two functions. One was to provide support to the tube, the second was to make the kit not look like a scabbed on after thought. Second, I was after a clean look that wasn't so noticeable and have matched as close as possible the OEM Honda colors. Also this plate would cover a severely mangled hole cut! I supply a template with the kit so the hole location is a no brainer.
I spent a lot of time designing this tube starting from the point where I thought was best to penetrate the fender and only cut ONE piece of plastic and working backwards toward the air box. This is not a simple 90 bend! There is a rolling offset that required me building jigs for fabrication to get this right every time.
There are endless opinions out there with limited solutions for these Talons. Run what you want to. I designed this kit and it works according to the 120+/- people that have purchased the kits to date, not even counting tube only purchases.
Particle separators are nice, but insanely bulky. And you have to realize these devices work on air velocity. If you're putt putting around a lot they will not be as effective. They HAVE to design these for max RPM and air flow to not create a restriction.
As for noise, I can't do much for that. Talon's aren't the quietest machines anyway. Surprising that the Polaris ACE 900 that both my daughters ride is MUCH quieter than Talon and your sitting RIGHT in front of the engine!
If you're interested in a dirty air solution, I'll be glad to help you out.
10-80dirtsports.com
