Talon What you don't like about the Talon...

[JTW]

I mean yeah... you’re totally right about CP, though.

 

[joeymt33]

Tell me about all YOUR negative experiences using hondas i4wd.......go ahead....I'll wait

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I have my concerns but I haven’t bashed it. I’ve said above that I need to test it before passing judgment.

I do believe the cables are more robust than the sensors and wires. Right now that’s about all I got that I don’t like.

My fear about it that i4wd is REACTIVE. A locker is proactive. The i4wd must see slippage and then react. That slippage is lost traction. Maybe it happens so fast that it’s a non issue.

The good things are easy steering and it should save axles.

I hope to get to really test it soon and I’ll give my thoughts.

 

[JACKAL]

Uhhhh, I don’t think that will work for me.

Well if you take out your "life like companion doll" and passenger seat you can use all that space for whatever stuff you want to pack.

 

[JACKAL]

I mean yeah... you’re totally right about CP, though.

 

[JTW]

Well if you take out your "life like companion doll" and passenger seat you can use all that space for whatever stuff you want to pack.

Wife got me a pocket sized companion for our anniversary... I’m not sure if it’s really a gift for me or her, but I’m calling it a win!

 

[JACKAL]

Wife got me a pocket sized companion for our anniversary... I’m not sure if it’s really a gift for me or her, but I’m calling it a win!

Good grief, now you'll be running around with your fleshlight b****ing about which way the batteries go in.

 

[JTW]

I have my concerns but I haven’t bashed it. I’ve said above that I need to test it before passing judgment.

I do believe the cables are more robust than the sensors and wires. Right now that’s about all I got that I don’t like.

My fear about it that i4wd is REACTIVE. A locker is proactive. The i4wd must see slippage and then react. That slippage is lost traction. Maybe it happens so fast that it’s a non issue.

The good things are easy steering and it should save axles.

I hope to get to really test it soon and I’ll give my thoughts.

I feel the same way... I can see the advantages but I also have my reservations compared to a manual locking diff. If I had my preferences.... I’d like to see turf,2wd, i4wd and 4lock on the selector. I’d also like to see all 4 axles the same. Then it would be awesome!

 

[JTW]

Good grief, now you'll be running around with your fleshlight b****ing about which way the batteries go in.

There you go again... all caught up on this fancy new technology that needs batteries and such. I want to use and abuse my stuff so I go with tried and true manual s***!

 

[CumminsPusher]

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Lol. Did you get that meme from a democratic website?
Limited slip even being done semi/electrically just isn’t lock. It can’t possibly have the same traction. They just smartened the rig to help take driver error away. They don’t break axles as bad because they have less traction.
I understand it’s easier to steer and some positives like less tire scrub at heavy steering angle at those times I don’t usually run diff.
Technology isn’t always better for everyone. I don’t like it in my sxs but yes I get it and unfortunately I’ll have to suck it up and deal.
I’m thankful it’s not the rear wheel spin/front lock up Polaris has though. It’s impossible to build a vehicle that everyone is happy in every way. For us the Pioneer is very close to that for what we need it for so I’m happy for that.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Tell me about all YOUR negative experiences using hondas i4wd.......go ahead....I'll wait

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Don’t like throwing too much technology at something a tow truck can’t retrieve. We go deep sometimes and I don’t like issues. I’ve had enough that that weren’t my fault. I don’t see a reason to swap something out that worked perfectly fine.
You see that in new cars all the time where something simple required a tow truck to the dealer for a 5k repair.
Sometimes simple is just fine. I know I’m old school but I can’t change that.

 

[JACKAL]

Thread title, Complaints....

Let's see:

1. Not cool to tax someone on income they worked for only the use that tax revenue to support people who can work but refuse to.

2. Not cool to promote people based upon ethnic identity instead of qualifications due to some inequality suffering by others over 50 years ago.

3. Politicians, all of them, should be treated like diapers. Changed often and for the same reason.


Oh the Talon, have no complaints, haven't driven it, or seen reliable real world comparisons. Looks good, appears well made, but nothing factual to complain about. Those that do, likely b**** about thier ice cream being cold.

First world millennial problems.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Nah Honda heard how much they could make off parts and they running support truck just for @JTW and @CumminsPusher

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Don’t leave out @joeymt33 and @Eltobgi

 

[JACKAL]

Don’t like throwing too much technology at something a tow truck can’t retrieve. We go deep sometimes and I don’t like issues. I’ve had enough that that weren’t my fault. I don’t see a reason to swap something out that worked perfectly fine.
You see that in new cars all the time where something simple required a tow truck to the dealer for a 5k repair.
Sometimes simple is just fine. I know I’m old school but I can’t change that.

Well you could always ride horses, sometimes simple is just fine, and a horse always gets back to the barn even when drunk off your ass. Seent it in westerns.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Well you could always ride horses, sometimes simple is just fine, and a horse always gets back to the barn even when drunk off your ass. Seent it in westerns.

I want a solid easy to work on machine that we can own for a bit. That’s all. Not saying it won’t but electronic problems are a pain. I’d miss the old lever that tells my machine what to do. Mechanical wasn’t too bad.

 

[JACKAL]

I want a solid easy to work on machine that we can own for a bit. That’s all. Not saying it won’t but electronic problems are a pain. I’d miss the old lever that tells my machine what to do. Mechanical wasn’t too bad.

There is still Honda Fourtrax TRX300s running around, hell a few may still be running with original oil from what I've seen.

 

[CumminsPusher]

There is still Honda Fourtrax TRX300s running around, hell a few may still be running with original oil from what I've seen.

Ya we all know those Honda quads. Heck my kid owns my 15yo Honda250x and my wife’s Honda230f is 13yo.over 30k miles between the two All on dirt with multiple people riding them and poor maintenance, never major work done and still going strong. I don’t expect to see too many current Sxs’s floating around in 15 years. Mechanical is not a bad thing.

 

[Chooglin]

My only complaint is , I'm not in the position (financial ) to buy one right now

 

[kukini]

Gladly! Just don’t ask for sight seeing and we will ride there lol.
I know you’ve been some great places too I remember the pics, we haven’t gotten around the country much because we like our little hole but we’ve been trying more. At some point I’m sure we’ll find someplace to ride together. Life is too short to not experience things, I never say never anymore!

That's a great attitude to have. Like you I like my little hole as well but there are some great places that need to be explored and I'm working towards doing so. Here's a ride I lead this year that people are lining up to have me run it again next year.

 

[CTDpower]

Oh the Talon, have no complaints, haven't driven it, or seen reliable real world comparisons. Looks good, appears well made, but nothing factual to complain about. Those that do, likely b**** about thier ice cream being cold.

First world millennial problems.

I still think you're making unfair comparisons. I think it would be more similarly compared to b****ing about your bowl of ice cream not coming with a spoon. The difference being, basically everyone would complain about your bowl of ice cream not coming with a spoon, which is something all bowls of ice cream should come with. Whereas almost no one would complain about ice cream being served too cold.

I bet the percentages are something like, 50% would like a hitch on this machine, 50% are indifferent, and 0% would specifically like it to not have a hitch. If those numbers were even remotely accurate, why not incorporate a hitch which would have cost nothing.

In general I hate complaining, as the saying goes it gets you nowhere. But in this case if we would like to affect change in the future, there's not hardly any other way to do it. I guess I could finish my engineering degree, move out of state, get lucky enough to land a job as a Honda engineer specifically for the side-by-side lineup, and then maybe have my opinions heard and possibly affect change that way, but that is pretty far-fetched.

I do agree with all your other complaints though! LOL

 

[CTDpower]

It does not ever cut power. Put it to the floor and all 4 will be spinning.

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I thought that's exactly what it did, to an extent? Wheel speed sensors, senses wheel slip, applies brake pressure to slipping wheel. The only thing I would agree with you is it doesn't cut power, since in theory I guess no power is really being transferred to the ground via a slipping wheel.

I think it actually sounds like a really great system for rock crawling for example. But what if I want to just get it around the corner and four-wheel drift this sum B. how will it react to that? Maybe if all four tires are slipping, it just lets them slip? Or maybe it will apply brake pressure to make all four wheels slip at the same rate? How does it know when the wheels slip is intentional or if it's trying to help you out? Or better yet, if it knows best, then why even have a two-wheel drive selection, just make it full time i4wd.

I'm not saying the system isn't great, I've never owned a driven one. But since it's my only choice in the Talon I sure hope it's awesome LOL!