P1000 Jackal's P1000-5

[solrus]

Rain has been relentless here but I did get it cleaned up and took a few quick pictures with everything on it except my replacement tire and wheel combo.

To save you from going through 9 pages unless you want more details. Here is a quick synopsis of what I have done so far since getting my P1K5D on 12/22/15:

Honda Glass Windshield
Honda Hard Mid Panel
Honda Hard Roof
Trail Armor 1/2" UHMW Skid plates and A-arm guards
Second Battery Odyssey 925
2nd Battery connection kit with 140 amp isolator
Cooper Bussman 10 Circuit Power Distribution Module (5) 15 amp circuits + (5) 30 amp w/ 35 amp relay circuits
139 Db Compact Air Horn
KFI Winch Mount
Superwinch Terra 45 with 65" synthetic cable
STV 40" LED light bar - Forward
STV 12" LED light bar - Rearward
STV 4" Pod work lights (4) - two front and rear angled out
MTX 46" Sound Bar
Custom switch panel with 8 STV lighted rockers, 2 Mictuning USB power stations, Voltmeter, RAM mount
Garmin Montana 650T weatherproof GPS in RAM mount
Strong Made 2" Lift Kit
Fire Extinguisher
Hi-Lifter 36" UTV Jack

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Overall pretty happy with how things came along since I have only had the machine for 2 1/2 weeks

Still waiting on:

Strong Made Front Bumper
Tires & Wheels
Billows for Differentials and sub transmission - don't want to end up like @joeymt33 having my transmission look like it's filled with Yoohoo instead of oil.

SVT vs TUSK light? YOu have 30" TUSK on P500 any difference in quality and light output vs SVT 40"?

 

[Admin]

 

[JACKAL]

SVT vs TUSK light? YOu have 30" TUSK on P500 any difference in quality and light output vs STV 40"?

The 30" Tusk is a 3W LED based light with 16,000 lumen output, the STV 40" light is a 5W LED based light with a 32,000 lumen output. Light output difference is huge but they are built the same and priced accordingly for their output. Both made in China probably even in the same factory just different package labeling. Both use CREE LED's and have an IP67 water resistant rating that's the two important things to look at. The difference is the Tusk came with all the wiring, relay, and switch the other didn't which i have my own solution for the P1K5D to power and turn them on off. The only other difference was the style of mount sent with the light. The Tusk did have a heavier machine specific mount but that was more of a RMATV package solution than anything else. It all can be gotten off amazon.

Im happy with both units literally a coin toss to choose from these you can buy 6 of for the price of 1 Rugged LED light bar of same size and output.

 

[muley190]

HD3 6+1 or 5+2
I have been told by two different salesman that this rim is closer to 5+2 than 6+1. One lists it as a 5+2 instead as a 6+1.
Jackal if you could measure your rim it would be helpful, as like you I wanted a 6+1.
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[JACKAL]

HD3 6+1 or 5+2
I have been told by two different salesman that this rim is closer to 5+2 than 6+1. One lists it as a 5+2 instead as a 6+1.
Jackal if you could measure your rim it would be helpful, as like you I wanted a 6+1.
long time reader fist time poster

@muley190 Welcome to the club!

The OEM offsets are different because the wheels in the front and back are different width not just the tires. The information below Is from another discussion I had with a member after he mounted 4+3 offset wheels. But OEM offset is about 1.5-1.75" in front and 2" in the rear as an approximation.

OEM Width 62.9" with factory tires and wheels.
With 4+3 offset wheels the front is 68" wide and rear 65" wide.
With 5+2 offset wheels the front is 66" wide and rear 63" wide. - Rear closest to OEM like dealer said.
With 6+1 offset wheels the front is 64" wide and rear 61" wide.

I am wanting to be as close to 60" as I can get for gated trails out West AND I have a slight clearance issue in my Toyhauler for the front width due to the bathroom cutting into floor space of my garage. that one less inch will be juuust enough to fit my need.

Hope that helps you decide, I am using all the same offsets front / rear so I can pack a 5th identical spare that can go on any corner and still handle the same.

Edit / Note if you want the 6+1 offset here is the info on it:
4/137 STI HD3 Alloy Wheel 14x7 6.0 + 1.0 Black Machined
RMATV Part# 1379380027
STI HD3 Alloy Wheel | Tires and Wheels | Rocky Mountain ATV/MC
It is not listed as fitting a P1K but is listed for CanAm 1000 XT same bolt pattern, personally bought one and put in on my P1K to test fit it.

STI HD3 Alloy Wheel | Tires and Wheels | Rocky Mountain ATV/MC

 

[muley190]

4/137 STI HD3 Alloy Wheel 14x7 6.0 + 1.0 Black Machined
sorry I was not clear this is the wheel I was told is not really a 6+1 but closer to a 5+2

 

[JACKAL]

4/137 STI HD3 Alloy Wheel 14x7 6.0 + 1.0 Black Machined
sorry I was not clear this is the wheel I was told is not really a 6+1 but closer to a 5+2

Well STI sells this wheel in a 4+3, 5+2, & 6+1 offset. As far as most salesmen go I treat them like diapers they should be changed often and for the same reason.

 

[muley190]

With 6+1 offset wheels the front is 64" wide and rear 61" wide.
Is this from outside the rims or will it be your 10" tires?

 

[JACKAL]

With 6+1 offset wheels the front is 64" wide and rear 61" wide.
Is this from outside the rims or will it be your 10" tires?

"Should" be overall with tires but I will know within a week for certain.

 

[muley190]

Thank you Jackal your rim and tire size is the setup I want and for the same reasons

 

[jocelyn]

jackal i look to bye a pionner 1000 3 seater what do you tinking about use hd3 6+1 in front and 5+2 in back in quebec the trail law is 64 inch wide max and y want te rear and front track the samme maibe use 27 or 28 14 10 or 27 28 9 14 and 27 28 11 14 tank

 

[JACKAL]

jackal i look to bye a pionner 1000 3 seater what do you tinking about use hd3 6+1 in front and 5+2 in back in quebec the trail law is 64 inch wide max and y want te rear and front track the samme maibe use 27 or 28 14 10 or 27 28 9 14 and 27 28 11 14 tank

I think that combo would be fine.

 

[JACKAL]

Decided to go ahead and run an extended vent tube for the gas tank and front / rear differentials as well as the sub transmission. Of note, the front differential hose goes well above the air intake up behind the steering wheel, probably didn't need to change it but since I had the bellows decided to go ahead and mount them.

On the fuel line I just pulled the short hoes out of the frame cut the end square and put a 3/16" barb union and added a 2 ft. section of hose to it. I then ran it under and back and up behind the seat tucking it in where the center seatbelt slot is, the tubing reached all the way up to within 1 inch from the top of the seat back just out of sight and secured the end with a zip tie on an end of a push pin rivet that happed to be right there.

Picture 1 vent tube as is coming off of white plastic elbow and tucked into the frame.

Picture 2 tubing pulled out of frame.

Picture 3 extended hose run out the back and secured in place under the seat.

Picture 4 a behind the seat view with the bed up showing the tied off hose snaked up along the frame and into the center seatbelt slot.

Picture 5 Sub transmission vent bellow installed.


Will get pictures of the front and rear differentials with billows attached tomorrow. Also Tires and Wheels arriving the final big touch.

Pretty happy with the progress made, since only having it 3 weeks. Working with the Honda's everything just seems to pull together so much easier.

 

[chadbo]

"Should" be overall with tires but I will know within a week for certain.

Also did the lift shorten your width... I hope to use this lift ,the 3.5 offset on m20s and only get a touch wider with the 29.5 terms

 

[JACKAL]

Also did the lift shorten your width... I hope to use this lift ,the 3.5 offset on m20s and only get a touch wider with the 29.5 terms

I didn't measure it but from only getting 2" if it did it was less than 1/2" reduction. With 3.5" offset you will be 68" +- wide in the front that's with a 7" wide wheel.

 

[JACKAL]

Tires and wheels arrived, OMG bigger than I expected she's gonna be tight, but it'll work out

STI HD3 Wheels 14x7 with 6+1 offset front and rear.
STI Roctane XD 30 x 10 x 14 front and rear.

Guess I will find out how good the front axles and differential are

 

[JACKAL]

One side done

 

[JACKAL]

Final measurements all mounted up.

Rear width overall 61.5" - what I expected & hoped for. > You can run 5+2 offset in rear to have even tracks front and back.
Front width overall 64.0" even - two inches wider that I expected.
Overall height with 2" lift and 30" tires 81" - what I expected.

Clearances / Measurement references:

Front Hawse fairlead OEM: 20.5" Strong Made Lift: 23" Lift & 30" Tires: 25"
Front Side behind wheel OEM: 11.5" Strong Made Lift: 13.5" Lift & 30" Tires: 14.75" = under the skid plate
Rear Side Before wheel OEM: 12.5" Strong Made Lift: 14.5" Lift & 30" Tires: 16.25" = under the skid plate

Front Side Measurements, in order as above L to R:



Rear Side Measurements, in order as above L to R:

 

[HondaTim]

Got any seat time yet?

 

[JACKAL]

Front tire clearance, only issue is Trail Armor skid plate goes into and turns up 2" inside the wheel well. Rubs starting at 1/2 turn and bad at full lock. Will be trimming the skid plates and will have room with factory plastic but very slight interference on Drivers side only where plastic sticks out further because of the brake pedal, will try pulling it in an inch using a heat gun. Rear wheels clear no problem

Tires are all at 14 PSI

Angle side view, from above, and full lock. In that order:


And the back.

 

[Marine660]

Awesome!! This is the combo I am considering so please do a video or a detailed write up on the ride, any rubbing, and power in low range.

Does it lug the engine when crawling slow (like rock climbing).